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Advice on damage to van please

  • 18-04-2016 2:09pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭


    Long story short.

    A lad pulling into a parking bay in front of my van torn the wing mirror off my van, stopped and immediately reversed out and drove off damaging the front wing at the same time.

    I've spoken to the Garda, I've spoken to my insurance company, I've got the reg number of the van and am getting nowhere.

    The update from the Garda is the driver has been spoken to but denies any accident or damage caused. I obviously don't know the ins and outs of that conversation.

    Have any of you had this happen to you and how did you resolve it?


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Stephenc66


    Any chance that the incident might have been caught on CCTV from a local business?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Stephenc66 wrote: »
    Any chance that the incident might have been caught on CCTV from a local business?

    Unfortunately not.

    I did witness it personally but by the time I got out of the shop to deal with it he had driven off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Surely there would be corresponding damage on his van, or paint left on your van?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Maybe another witness in the shop that seen it and can verify your story?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    sconhome wrote: »
    The update from the Garda is the driver has been spoken to but denies any accident or damage caused. I obviously don't know the ins and outs of that conversation.

    Are the Gardai going to instigate a full investigation? Of course not, so their only job in this is to get the other party to provide you with his insurance details.

    Once you have that just put a claim in to his insurance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Surely there would be corresponding damage on his van, or paint left on your van?

    There is paint on my van. His red, mine white so very obvious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Vic_08 wrote: »
    Are the Gardai going to instigate a full investigation? Of course not, so their only job in this is to get the other party to provide you with his insurance details.

    Once you have that just put a claim in to his insurance.

    Thanks.

    I don't know what happens, thankfully, never involved in an accident or any situation requiring exchange of details of insurance companies. That's grand so I'll wait for the insurance information or him to come back via the Garda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    jonnycivic wrote: »
    Maybe another witness in the shop that seen it and can verify your story?

    Unfortunately not. There were other cars outside beeping horns at him but no-one stopped or came back.

    My word against his apparently. Relying on the insurance info from his side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    id give the details to your insurer, they should be able to follow this up with the other persons insurance company.
    Perhaps a call from his insurer will waken him up somewhat ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Aongus Von Heisenberg


    You have your own eyewitness evidence, a reg and the damage to van is physical evidence consistent with your story. You're in a strong position. As Johnnycivic said canvassing for witnesses may improve it.

    Without knowing all the details I get the impression that the Gardaí aren't pushing this forwards too hard. Leaving the scene of an accident is an offence and if they wanted to prosecute for it they should have examined his vehicle to find white paint and damage. He'd be unlikely to deny it then.

    Your Insurer will probably take a more aggressive position, assuming you have comprehensive cover. If he has insurance they'll most likely recover from them. You seem to have done everything right and at this stage I'd let your insurance worry about it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Thank you for the help.

    Yes I have comprehensive cover and spoke to my Insurer. They didn't offer to get involved as I did make it clear that I do not want to claim off my insurance, similar to above they said to get insurance details from Garda as a reg number was not enough (I'm thinking laziness maybe?)

    I'll contact the Garda again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,838 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Leaving the scene of an accident is a criminal offence, but that carries a high level of proof, you just want his insurance company details, to make a claim...
    Photograph everything , if you can keep any of his red paint , then do . Get back on to gardai, dont let it slide... once you get his insurance details maybe get an insurance agent to pursue your claim ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭shietpilot


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Leaving the scene of an accident is a criminal offence, but that carries a high level of proof, you just want his insurance company details, to make a claim...
    Photograph everything , if you can keep any of his red paint , then do . Get back on to gardai, dont let it slide... once you get his insurance details maybe get an insurance agent to pursue your claim ...

    The issue is that by the time he gets his insurance details, the person who crashed into him might fix his van up and there will be no proof left :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Ask around your neighbouring businesses if anyone knows him. He must have had a delivery or something to say he was using loading bay?

    The fact that there's paint left should go in your favour, maybe call into the Garda station with the van?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,866 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    What has your insurance company said? They should investigate at this point as that is what they are paid for.
    Sounds like the guard was quite lenient with the other driver.
    I wonder why he fled...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Ask around your neighbouring businesses if anyone knows him. He must have had a delivery or something to say he was using loading bay?

    The fact that there's paint left should go in your favour, maybe call into the Garda station with the van?

    They were a road work crew who had been in the area for a while.

    Hard to know but he must have realised he was coming to the end of being in the village and was taking his chances on driving away. I have the company details and wrote to the directors outlining what happened. No response from them either.

    I'm stunned that it seems to be easy to say "I didn't do it" and that's pretty much it from the Garda point of view.

    I wonder what if it was slightly different and I witnessed someone else's car / van being hit rather than my own. How would it proceed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    bear1 wrote: »
    What has your insurance company said? They should investigate at this point as that is what they are paid for.
    Sounds like the guard was quite lenient with the other driver.
    I wonder why he fled...

    Thinking that myself, plot thickens.

    Just rang the Garda on the prompting here to get a clearer picture. The other driver was to call into the station to give a statement and is not answering his phone now.

    The owners of the vehicle are to produce insurance at their local station they haven't done this yet.

    I informed Garda that I spoke with my insurance who need 'their' insurance details and Garda asked me how insurance company see it proceeding when driver denies any wrong doing. My reply was I witnessed it myself asking why would driver pull in and out immediately if he was unaware? red paint on my van from impact and what would happen if it was a person or someone elses car that was damaged and I was witnessing?

    He will follow up with a call back to me tomorrow with an update - some progress in my mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Aongus Von Heisenberg


    sconhome wrote: »
    Thinking that myself, plot thickens.

    Just rang the Garda on the prompting here to get a clearer picture. The other driver was to call into the station to give a statement and is not answering his phone now.

    The owners of the vehicle are to produce insurance at their local station they haven't done this yet.

    I informed Garda that I spoke with my insurance who need 'their' insurance details and Garda asked me how insurance company see it proceeding when driver denies any wrong doing. My reply was I witnessed it myself asking why would driver pull in and out immediately if he was unaware? red paint on my van from impact and what would happen if it was a person or someone elses car that was damaged and I was witnessing?

    He will follow up with a call back to me tomorrow with an update - some progress in my mind.

    The Garda doesn't sound very helpful TBH. If the other vehicle's Insurers get a claim they will appoint a motor assessor to inspect the vehicle who should find consistent damage making it close to an open and shut case.

    Attempts to hide the damage with repairs to the damage should be fairly apparent to any decent motor assessor: eg a new panel usually stands out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    If they've got a fleet of vans, it should be handy enough to get their insurance details from another van.
    If you know where the company is, it might be worth calling in in person.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Garda sounds like the type to jump into his squad car and drive at a million miles an hour with blues and twos if there's a halfprice offer on breakfast rolls at Centra, but absolutely useless at anything that might cause him paperwork. He will have to be pushed and cajoled the whole way. Typical "civil matter, not my problem, Deli is closing in half an hour" Gard.


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