Buying a Cat D in UK

bmcm71

Looking at a Cat D car in UK. Seller is a dealer specialising in crashed cars and has a good reputation. He doesnt have a V5 for it as these are apparently given to insurers when they write them off. He says there's no prob getting paperwork but wondered if anyone knows how this works. I was under impression that I need the V5 for registering here but will some other doc suffice. Don't want to buy it and then have trouble paying VRT and getting plates

bazz26

You do need the car's V5 to register it here so I would not be buying any car without it.

As for a Cat D itself, just remember that resale value will be less than a non write off when you go to sell it on and anyone doing a history check will see it so your best be up front with any buyer.

bmcm71

Have thought about future value but still saving 6k compared to buying here so worth a punt. I suppose I should give the DVLA in the UK a call tomorrow and get their take on it. Other posters from past threads reckon another cert will suffice for VRT, a V963? but some centres have refused to accept them

bazz26

You would want to be getting information from the NCT or Revenue on what is exactly acceptable to them. I'd let the seller sort it out with the DVLA at their end though. If something is that cheap then usually it's that cheap for a good reason.

CiniO

bmcm71 wrote: »

Have thought about future value but still saving 6k compared to buying here so worth a punt. I suppose I should give the DVLA in the UK a call tomorrow and get their take on it. Other posters from past threads reckon another cert will suffice for VRT, a V963? but some centres have refused to accept them

No, V963 is a Vehicle Salvage Certificate.
OP won't be able to register a car in Ireland with that cert.

What OP will need is to apply for V561 (Certificate of permanent export).
Application form for this is call V756.

With this cert (V561) he will be able to register car in Ireland.

As far as I know, DVLA will issue V561 for vehicle written off category D.
They wouldn't for category C afair.
But best to ask them directly.

26000 Elephants

CiniO is bang on, but the V963 is both an export and salvage cert. ( export of a salvage vehicle) so I think they will accept it.

I cant see you gettting a normal export cert on a salvage car.

It can be issued both for C and D.

CiniO

26000 Elephants wrote: »

CiniO is bang on, but the V963 is both an export and salvage cert. ( export of a salvage vehicle) so I think they will accept it.

I cant see you gettting a normal export cert on a salvage car.

It can be issued both for C and D.

V963 indeed is Vehicle Salvage certificate issued for purpose of exporting vehicle.
However it clearly states, that what you are exporting is salvage, not vehicle.

You won't be able to register a car in Ireland using V963.
They used to accept it in the old days, but afaik from about 5-6 years ago, they stopped doing that.

V963 can be only issued for Category C vehicle. Category B or A won't be issued those as they can't be exported, and category D won't be issued that, as it can be issued V5C (registration cert) or V561 (permanent export cert).

That is because if someone want's to bring cateogry C vehicle back on the road in the UK, after fixing it they have to bring it for a check up and be issued a cert. Only then vehicle can be issued V5C.
As oppose, there's no such procedure for category D write off, so anyone can repair the vehicle and apply for V5C or V561 if exporting.

26000 Elephants

CiniO wrote: »

V963 indeed is Vehicle Salvage certificate issued for purpose of exporting vehicle.
However it clearly states, that what you are exporting is salvage, not vehicle.

You won't be able to register a car in Ireland using V963.
They used to accept it in the old days, but afaik from about 5-6 years ago, they stopped doing that.

V963 can be only issued for Category C vehicle. Category B or A won't be issued those as they can't be exported, and category D won't be issued that, as it can be issued V5C (registration cert) or V561 (permanent export cert).

That is because if someone want's to bring cateogry C vehicle back on the road in the UK, after fixing it they have to bring it for a check up and be issued a cert. Only then vehicle can be issued V5C.
As oppose, there's no such procedure for category D write off, so anyone can repair the vehicle and apply for V5C or V561 if exporting.

Ah, so they are getting more sticky. So basically cat c needs to be repaired and pass inspection before it can be exported/re-reged as a vehicle in another country? Otherwise its considered a lump of metal.

And cat d can be exported as is, with a V5 as normal ( its catagory is recorded in the v5 )

I had noticed that the salvage cert had said that it cannot be used to re-register the car in the UK once issued, so I suppose its logical that it cant work here.

MarkN

Be also wary of that fact that you'll struggle to get any dealer to take a trade in of a Cat D. It's a headache very few will want - speaking from experience!

smash

Check with your insurance company OP. Some won't insure it, some will want a full independent engineers report.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

V963 indeed is Vehicle Salvage certificate issued for purpose of exporting vehicle.
However it clearly states, that what you are exporting is salvage, not vehicle.

You won't be able to register a car in Ireland using V963.
They used to accept it in the old days, but afaik from about 5-6 years ago, they stopped doing that.

V963 can be only issued for Category C vehicle. Category B or A won't be issued those as they can't be exported, and category D won't be issued that, as it can be issued V5C (registration cert) or V561 (permanent export cert).

That is because if someone want's to bring cateogry C vehicle back on the road in the UK, after fixing it they have to bring it for a check up and be issued a cert. Only then vehicle can be issued V5C.
As oppose, there's no such procedure for category D write off, so anyone can repair the vehicle and apply for V5C or V561 if exporting.

Just to clarify on that - info I've given was not 100% correct.

What I've written used to be the case up till last year, but VIC check - which was needed before category C written off vehicle before it could be returned back to road - was abolished.
So now procedure is exactly the same for both category C and category D vehicle. Anyone with UK address can apply for V5C for such vehicle. And in case someone without UK address purchases such vehicle in UK (f.e. from Ireland as might be relevant to posters here) they can apply for V561 Vehicle Export Certificate.
This cert is good enough to register a vehicle in Ireland.
So in short - anyone nowadays can buy any Category C and Category D written off vehicle in UK, have it repaired and VRT it in Ireland.

Here's my correspondence with DVLA to confirm above facts and more...

Thank you for your email received on 21/9/16. Your email reference number is xxxxxxxx.

It may be helpful if I explain that, if you are buying a vehicle and want to export it immediately, the complete Registration Certificate V5C should be handed to (you) the new keeper. You should then fill in section 6 as the New Keeper. Both yourself and the current keeper must sign the declaration in section 8. The V5C can then be used to re-register the vehicle in the host country.

You must tax immediately using the V5C/2 before you can use the vehicle on the road to drive out of the country. You can do this online at www.gov.uk/vehicletax or by phone on 0300 1234 321. New keepers resident in Northern Ireland must apply to their nearest Post Office branch that deals with vehicle tax with the V5C/2, valid insurance certificate or cover note, valid MOT (if applicable) and the fee for tax.

In order to obtain a refund of vehicle tax, please write to Refunds, Swansea, SA99 1AL explaining the circumstances.

You will receive a refund for any full paid remaining months within 6 weeks.

The current keeper (seller) will then need to notify the sale of the vehicle, by writing or faxing to:

DVLA
Swansea
SA99 1BA

Fax: 01792 782378

including the:

• Vehicle registration number
• Make/Model
• Date of sale
• Who the vehicle has been sold to
• Brief explanation of the situation

Please note we are issuing automatic acknowledgement letters to confirm that keepers are no longer responsible for the vehicle. If you do not receive the confirmation letter within 4 weeks please contact us.

Thank you for your email received on 21/9/16. Your email reference number is xxxxxxxx.

From August 2004 a Certificate of permanent Export (V561) is no longer issued to Category C salvage vehicles being exported. Instead the Vehicle Salvage Export Certificate (V963) was introduced to mirror the Registration Certificate (V5C). It is issued instead of a V5C, which normally will not be available for Category C salvage vehicles to enable the applicant to transport the salvage vehicle abroad.

The V5C will be retained by the insurer on completion of an accident claim. The V963 is issued when the V5C is not available and when a Category C vehicle is being exported. It provides the applicant with the necessary documentary evidence to support the export of vehicle salvage abroad, although the applicant will not be able to re-register the vehicle using the V963.

A V963 Certificate of Salvage can only be issued if it is a category C. The definition of the category is "Repairable but the repair costs exceed the vehicles pre-accident value". The Certificate is applied for via form Application for Vehicle Salvage Export Certificate (V963/1). Under NO circumstances will a document be issued to a Category A or B Vehicle.

V963/1 application forms are available from DVLA Swansea. Filled in V963/1 applications should be sent to:

Export section
DVLA
Swansea
SA99 1AG

Fax: 01792 788378

Please allow up to 6 weeks to receive the V963.

Note that this above is incorrect - details below.

Thank you for your email received on 22/9/16. Your email reference number is xxxxxxxxxx.

It may help if I explain that as from 26th October 2015 vehicles will no longer need to undergo a VIC check.

The VIC marker will no longer stop the issue of a V5C.

If you haven’t received a V5C Registration Certificate since the VIC marker was in place then there is no fee applicable for a new V5C.

In order to apply for a new V5C you will need to complete an Application for a vehicle registration certificate (form V62). The application will have to be return to:

DVLA
Swansea
SA99 1DD

Due to the abolition of VIC you are able to complete a V756 and send it to:
Export Section
DVLA
Swansea
SA99 1AG
Fax number: 01792 788378

I hope that this clarifies matters for you.

Thank you for your email received on 23/9/16. Your email reference number is xxxxxxxx.

It may help if I explain that the information provided to you originally was incorrect. Since VIC was abolished for Category C vehicles, DVLA no longer issue Salvage Export Certificates. Therefore, you can apply for an export certificate by filling in Application for Certificate of Permanent Export form V756 (which you can download from www.gov.uk/taking-vehicles-out-of-uk) and returning to the address below:

DVLA
Swansea
SA99 1AG

Fax: 01792 788378

This application can be made for any vehicle (including previous category C or category D).

You will receive your V561 Export Certificate within 6 weeks.

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused.

slave1

If you go ahead with this remember VRT is based on a car in good condition so I'd expect a lower VRT to reflect this or appeal if you feel you have not been given a low enough tax

2time

can you claim money back from the Revenue seeing as the car was damaged and cost alot to repair they value the car at straight undamaged car price and so its incorrect as value will be much lower, vic tests for CAT C Vehicles have been abolished in the UK

Atlantic Dawn

2time wrote: »

can you claim money back from the Revenue seeing as the car was damaged and cost alot to repair they value the car at straight undamaged car price and so its incorrect as value will be much lower

No you can't. If you brought over the burned out shell or a grade 1 example the VRT would be the same once age, mileage and spec were the same.

2time

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

No you can't. If you brought over the burned out shell or a grade 1 example the VRT would be the same once age, mileage and spec were the same.

ok but your hear guy getting money back as they took pictures of the damage before repairing and a damaged categorised car wont have the same value as a straight one so you wont get any refund at all then

slave1

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

No you can't. If you brought over the burned out shell or a grade 1 example the VRT would be the same once age, mileage and spec were the same.

Jiberish, you will have to pay the VRT but you can appeal straight away that the OMSP was incorrect as it did not reflect the condition of the car, if your appeal is successful then you will be given a cheque rebate from the Revenue