Need to find out who the management company is

Mantis Toboggan

Not sure if this should be in the accommodation section, if so can a mod move it?

I'm looking to find out who are the management company of a housing estate on the south side of Dublin is. I'm a resident there, I've asked the landlord who said he doesn't know and that he hasn't paid them for years. Everyone I've asked doesn't seem to know.

I would have presumed this was a straight forward process but it appears not

Can someone help me?

Carawaystick

Would the land registry not say? the mgmt co would be the owner of the land there.

athtrasna

I presume you mean the management agent, the managment company is a legal entity comprising all owners.

Have you tried asking a neighbour?

Mantis Toboggan

athtrasna wrote: »

I presume you mean the management agent, the managment company is a legal entity comprising all owners.

Have you tried asking a neighbour?

I have, mostly Tennants who didn't know.

The management company who would have insurance on the estate.

Haven't tried the land registry yet as there's a fee but would they have this information?

CIARAN_BOYLE

Tyson Fury wrote: »

I have, mostly Tennants who didn't know.

The management company who would have insurance on the estate.

Haven't tried the land registry yet as there's a fee but would they have this information?

The management company would hire a management agent who would be responsible for insurance.

The management company may be available through the land registry if there is any. A housing estate would not always have a management company.

Hunchback

Is it possible that the management company could be the construction company involved, in the event that the common areas were not transferred? ( this is a question from a non-expert)

blacklilly

Your landlord seems very flippant in respect of their obligations pertaining to their Lease agreement*.

* This is assuming their property is Leasehold

Paulw

Normally the management company would be "X Development" Management Company Ltd.

Try a CRO search along those lines, or even just your development name.

Mrs OBumble

blacklilly wrote: »

Your landlord seems very flippant in respect of their obligations pertaining to their Lease agreement*.

* This is assuming their property is Leasehold

Indeed.

OP, why do you need to know?

What business can you possibly have with the management company, that it is not dealt with via your landlord?

And what makes you imagine they would even speak to you, given that your LL hasn't been paying his/her fees?

Mantis Toboggan

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Indeed.

OP, why do you need to know?

What business can you possibly have with the management company, that it is not dealt with via your landlord?

And what makes you imagine they would even speak to you, given that your LL hasn't been paying his/her fees?

Insurance claim.

athtrasna

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Insurance claim.

You need to take that through your landlord. Management agents deal with members of the management company, they will not process an insurance claim for a tenant. Beware a massive excess as well. Think ours is €750

L1011

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Insurance claim.

Good luck, if the LL hasn't paid his fees for years.

Management Company will likely not entertain contact from you in the first place and are unlikely to do so for an LL that deeply in arrears.

Mantis Toboggan

athtrasna wrote: »

You need to take that through your landlord. Management agents deal with members of the management company, they will not process an insurance claim for a tenant. Beware a massive excess as well. Think ours is €750

As I said the landlord doesn't know who the management company is and hasn't paid them in over 10 years, afaik numerous management companies (possibly with the same director) have managed the estate over the previous few years.

Mantis Toboggan

L1011 wrote: »

Good luck, if the LL hasn't paid his fees for years.

Management Company will likely not entertain contact from you in the first place and are unlikely to do so for an LL that deeply in arrears.

Thanks

As the claim is on the grounds and not in the property this is irrelevant and my insurance company have confirmed same.

Paulw

Tyson Fury wrote: »

As I said the landlord doesn't know who the management company is and hasn't paid them in over 10 years, afaik numerous management companies (possibly with the same director) have managed the estate over the previous few years.

Those would be management agents who have changed over the years. The management company doesn't change.

Polo_Mint

L1011 wrote: »

Good luck, if the LL hasn't paid his fees for years.

Management Company will likely not entertain contact from you in the first place and are unlikely to do so for an LL that deeply in arrears.

Its not going to matter if the LL hasnt paid fees if its an insurance claim.

If im renting a house in a private estate, walk down the road and trip and fall due to unkept surroundings, I wouldnt be dealing with the LL

I would claim against the Management Company or Agent responsible for the estate.

It doesnt matter if you live on the street or not.

L1011

Tyson Fury wrote: »

As I said the landlord doesn't know who the management company is and hasn't paid them in over 10 years, afaik numerous management companies (possibly with the same director) have managed the estate over the previous few years.

The management company is always the same limited company unless absolutely massive changes take place

The management agent can change. You appear to be chasing the wrong people here.

jd

Search the cro for 'Development Name' Management Company. Alternatively, the local authority may know the details of the OMC. Of course if people aren't paying fees the OMC may well have been struck off!

LionelNashe

jd wrote: »

Search the cro for 'Development Name' Management Company. Alternatively, the local authority may know the details of the OMC. Of course if people aren't paying fees the OMC may well have been struck off!

yep, exactly - Google might show it. e.g. "Park Road Management Company Ltd" or "Fake Street Apartments Mgt Company Ltd" or whatever. It should show who the directors are as well. If they haven't been collecting management fees though, there is no guarantee that they have been paying insurance fees.

Mantis Toboggan

Thanks for the help. I've found a few different management companies linked with the estate unfortunately all have been dissolved from what I can see.

I take a look at the land registry.

jd

Is this an apartment/mixed complex? Hard for apartments to function without some type of OMC in operation.

Mantis Toboggan

jd wrote: »

Is this an apartment/mixed complex? Hard for apartments to function without some type of OMC in operation.

Cheers, yes there are apartments, duplexes and houses. Hopefully the land registry will throw up the details, will have a look over the weekend.

goldenhoarde

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Cheers, yes there are apartments, duplexes and houses. Hopefully the land registry will throw up the details, will have a look over the weekend.

Any communal Notice board or area where notices are stuck. This might contain a notice of the AGM or might have notices that the MC erected with name/number?

Have any places been sold in the estate recently, if so could be work contacting the estate agents in question as usually the MC will look to get any arrears before the sale goes through. The vendors solicitor will defo want to make sure that there are no arrears so if you know of a recently purchased apt, knock on their door and ask

jd

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Cheers, yes there are apartments, duplexes and houses. Hopefully the land registry will throw up the details, will have a look over the weekend.

If you know someone in the apartments, I'd try talking to them. Someone must be paying for common area lighting, lifts etc.

Aongus Von Heisenberg

The public areas in the estate may have been taken in charge by the Council so you could always ask them. If they haven't taken it in charge and they're eager to extricate themselves from a potential claim they may identify the management company to you.

The Council's public planning records may identify involved parties such as Developers.
Also the map on landdirect.ie should at least give you the relevant folio number for the property.
Solocheck.ie is a handy resource for tracking owners, management companies and receivers.