50cc in Dublin city?

Jazzzman

Hi folks

I'm thinking about buying a 50cc moped to commute through the city (Dublin).

Would this type of bike be adequate enough to get around? More specifically, fast enough to keep up with traffic etc.

Thanks

Alkers

In the actual city centre it should be OK but even unrestricted they too out about 75km/hr

aaakev

If you live in Dublin and work in Dublin and dont travel on the m50 it would be grand. Perfect for getting around town

slinky2000

Personally I'd say it's way too slow for enjoyment even in the city. You would soon get bored of it. A 125 on the other hand would be perfect.

I've a 600 as I commute 35km each way but in the city 'm constantly overtaking 50's crawling down the bus lanes around the city.

GBX

If its just for commuting id go for it - i'd even look at maybe a CG125 / YBR125 or a Honda Cub 90. All bulletproof and go on a whiff of fuel!

Bandito909

Have a look at the Honda MSX125 or "Grom" the ultimate city bike!!

Just get it unrestricted and change the rollers and they are good for 100kmh, fine for the city

Del2005

Simona1986 wrote: »

In the actual city centre it should be OK but even unrestricted they too out about 75km/hr

The OP wants a moped, they can only do 45km/h.

aaakev

Del2005 wrote: »

The OP wants a moped, they can only do 45km/h.

I had 3 mopeds when i was in school, all could do 70+ km/h... granted the limiter was removed

Del2005

aaakev wrote: »

I had 3 mopeds when i was in school, all could do 70+ km/h... granted the limiter was removed

They weren't mopeds they were step throughs or scooters. There is no defined style of moped only a that a moped is a bike that can't exceed 49cc or 45km/h. If you travel to our enlightened continental cousin's you'll see all styles of bike which are mopeds and till recently you'd see 14 year olds on them.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Learner-Drivers/Motorcyclists/no-name-yet/

Mesrine65

Bandito909 wrote: »

Have a look at the Honda MSX125 or "Grom" the ultimate city bike!!

Cool little yokes, haven't seen/heard of them before.

D3V!L

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Cool little yokes, haven't seen/heard of them before.

I have one with a Yoshi pipe on it. Great machine and fantastic fun

They're like a street legal pit bike !! :pac:

Bandito909

D3V!L wrote: »

I have one with a Yoshi pipe on it. Great machine and fantastic fun

They're like a street legal pit bike !! :pac:

I'm really mad for one of these having seen so many in Asia. Would love one to commute on.

Any pics of your's with the Yoshi?! Must be great craic!! how are you finding it so far?

D3V!L

Bandito909 wrote: »

Any pics of your's with the Yoshi?! Must be great craic!! how are you finding it so far?

Sorry no pics of it. It's in storage on a lift at the moment so can't dig it out.

Its great fun, only got 3 gears, runs on vapour and actually shifts quite well, the suspension is firm and will hold my large carcas (100kilos) without bottoming out. The stock tyres are muck though, useful only for burn outs

Mesrine65

You'd never guess these were the same model...

stewygriffin

Mesrine65 wrote: »

You'd never guess these were the same model...

How much and where can I get 1?:D

Bandito909

@cati

You can get them for 3,500. They have them in m50 Honda, and I saw one last week in bikeworld !

stewygriffin

Id buy a 125cc moped and that way you can use the motorways too,and you will have plenty of poke for getting around the city too.

Mesrine65

Honda CB125F €3,300

http://www.m50retail.com/motorcycles/naked/cb125f/

stewygriffin

Stopped by Bikeworld this afternoon.

3500 euro for this yellow one.

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

They weren't mopeds they were step throughs or scooters. There is no defined style of moped only a that a moped is a bike that can't exceed 49cc or 45km/h. If you travel to our enlightened continental cousin's you'll see all styles of bike which are mopeds and till recently you'd see 14 year olds on them.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Learner-Drivers/Motorcyclists/no-name-yet/

Whatever scooters or mopeds its the same license and they can do a hell of a lot better than 45 kmh when de restricted.

Del2005

Giuliana Bald Walnut wrote: »

Whatever scooters or mopeds its the same license and they can do a hell of a lot better than 45 kmh when de restricted.

Did you read the link? Once it goes over 45 it's not the same licence.

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

Did you read the link? Once it goes over 45 it's not the same licence.

Ok Il give an example, a yamaha aerox 50cc moped, thats what its marketed as will do 100kmh.

You can drive this on a license that is an M licence, maybe technically its not legal to drive it on that license once its capable of that speed. This means half the people driving mopeds in Ireland are driving them illegally cause most are capable of higher that that speed.

Del2005

Giuliana Bald Walnut wrote: »

Ok Il give an example, a yamaha aerox 50cc moped, thats what its marketed as will do 100kmh.

You can drive this on a license that is an M licence, maybe technically its not legal to drive it on that license once its capable of that speed. This means half the people driving mopeds in Ireland are driving them illegally cause most are capable of higher that that speed.

Not according to Yamaha

http://m.yamaha-motor.eu/ie/products/road/scooters/50cc/aer50

They are scooters or step through, mopeds can be of any type of motorbike from scooter to scrambler and everything in between. Do you think this is a moped?
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_yp250_magesty.htm

Yes most people are riding illegally and they will get in trouble if they have an crash as riding outside the terms of your licence leaves you liable for the insurance company to recoup 3rd party claims. The Gardai, and RSA, are also starting to enforce licence laws much more than before

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

Not according to Yamaha

http://m.yamaha-motor.eu/ie/products/road/scooters/50cc/aer50

They are scooters or step through, mopeds can be of any type of motorbike from scooter to scrambler and everything in between. Do you think this is a moped?
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_yp250_magesty.htm

Yes most people are riding illegally and they will get in trouble if they have an crash as riding outside the terms of your licence leaves you liable for the insurance company to recoup 3rd party claims

Well this is the crux of it because most people riding 50cc vehicles are riding ones that are capable of more than 45kmh so 90% of 50cc vehicles on the roads are being ridden illegally because they are being ridden by people with an m licence.

A few of the lads crashed scooters capable of well over 45kmh back in the day and the insurance company's always paid out. This is just nonsense.

So your beef is with the RSA then because it shouldn't be labeled an M licence, we should have another category for scooter.

Del2005

Giuliana Bald Walnut wrote: »

Well this is the crux of it because most people riding 50cc vehicles are riding ones that are capable of more than 45kmh so 90% of 50cc vehicles on the roads are being ridden illegally because they are being ridden by people with an m licence.

A few of the lads crashed mopeds/scooters capable of well over 45kmh back in the day and the insurance company's always paid out. This is just nonsense.

It's against site policy to advise people to break the law.

I edited my last post while you were posting this. Back in the day was a different time. The RSA and Gardai are getting serious about licence violations, look at the amount of people looking for BE licences, and the insurance companies won't be far behind.

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

It's against site policy to advise people to break the law.

I edited my last post while you were posting this. Back in the day was a different time. The RSA and Gardai are getting serious about licence violations, look at the amount of people looking for BE licences, and the insurance companies won't be far behind.

So really then your average 16 year old that goes and buys what he would call a moped on an M licence is illegal, he should have an A1?

The shop will happily sell him the bike, the insurance company will happily insure him and if stopped by the gardai with the license they will be perfectly happy and wave him on.

Or will they hop on the bike and give it a test to see if it goes over 45kh.

Del2005

Giuliana Bald Walnut wrote: »

So your beef is with the RSA then because it shouldn't be labeled an M licence, we should have another category for scooter.

I've no beef with the RSA as I know what restrictions apply to each type of licence. Bike licences are now standardised across the EU so fortunately for us it's nothing to do with the RSA.

There's no classification for a scooter. There are several classification of licences for powered two wheelers which are based on top speed or power output.

This is a moped

https://m.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/generic-trigger-x-50-25-45kmh-50ccm-enduro-mofa-moped-bastler/454846989-305-4881

and so is this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puch_Maxi

This isn't a moped

https://www.gumtree.com/p/honda-motorbikes/honda-cub-90/1164932861

Del2005

Giuliana Bald Walnut wrote: »

So really then your average 16 year old that goes and buys what he would call a moped on an M licence is illegal, he should have an A1?

The shop will happily sell him the bike, the insurance company will happily insure him and if stopped by the gardai with the license they will be perfectly happy and wave him on.

Or will they hop on the bike and give it a test to see if it goes over 45kh.

Yes they need an A1.

It's up to the operator to make sure that they are road legal not anyone else. The Gardai did take bikes off people to check if they where restricted to 33bhp. Insurance companies will always take money off people, they don't like paying out money though so will look for any excuse to avoid it.

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

Yes they need an A1.

It's up to the operator to make sure that they are road legal not anyone else. The Gardai did take bikes off people to check if they where restricted to 33bhp. Insurance companies will always take money off people, they don't like paying out money though so will look for any excuse to avoid it.

If they set the requirements out as "any vehicle that cannot exceed 45 kmh" and dont specify cc or kw that is farcical. So we basically have every single moped owner in Ireland riding illegally because every 50cc machine is capable of more than that.

If I was one I wouldn't be losing too much sleep over non licence compliance or insurance company's not paying out tbh. Only two years ago I know of someone who ended up nearly in a tree and got 50k payout for it on a moped that was capable of well over 45kmh and his bike was examined , you dont think the insurance company would have gotten out of that if they could have..

Its all semantics,if you have any 50cc vehicle and an m licence you are legal and insured end of. The licence is stated incorrectly and no insurance company will ever challenge it.

Its a technicality insurers wont bring up because its leaves them and the RSA open to all sorts of legal trouble, why were they provided insurance in the first place when they honestly said they only had an M license and listed the moped they wanted to insure etc and the insurance company said no problem..

Del2005

Giuliana Bald Walnut wrote: »

If they set the requirements out as "any vehicle that cannot exceed 45 kmh" and dont specify cc or kw that is farcical. So we basically have every single moped owner in Ireland riding illegally because every 50cc machine is capable of more than that.

The capacity is defined. No every person riding a scooter is riding illegally if they have it insured as a moped, not every scooter is a moped and mopeds aren't all scooters.

If I was one I wouldn't be losing too much sleep over non licence compliance or insurance company's not paying out tbh. Only two years ago I know of someone who ended up nearly in a tree and got 50k payout for it on a moped that was capable of well over 45kmh and his bike was examined , you dont think the insurance company would have gotten out of that if they could have..

Its all semantics,if you have any 50cc vehicle and an m licence you are legal and insured end of. The licence is stated incorrectly and no insurance company will ever challenge it.

Its a technicality insurers wont bring up because its leaves them and the RSA open to all sorts of legal trouble, why were they provided insurance in the first place when they honestly said they only had an M license and listed the moped they wanted to insure etc and the insurance company said no problem..

This is the reason why insurance in this country is so high.

Alkers

OP, what licence do you have? A lot of people call scooters mopeds and vice versa. If the OP is restricted to 45km/hr, even commuting in the city centre is going to be very tedious.

franer1970

Del2005 wrote: »

The capacity is defined. No every person riding a scooter is riding illegally if they have it insured as a moped, not every scooter is a moped and mopeds aren't all scooters.

Capacity for Class AM is not defined.

Top speed is restricted by the gearing that's fitted or by an electronic limiter I would imagine.

See here for current licensing classes.
http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Learner-Drivers/Motorcyclists/no-name-yet/

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

The capacity is defined. No every person riding a scooter is riding illegally if they have it insured as a moped, not every scooter is a moped and mopeds aren't all scooters.



This is the reason why insurance in this country is so high.

No its not, thats the problem. They say any vehicle over 45kmh, if you go into bike world most 50cc mopeds/scooters whatever you buy with that licence will be capable of more than that speed. So we really need either a new licence category or for the manufacturers to start making 35cc machines or putting electronic speed limiters in them for the Irish market which isnt going to happen.

If they rely on that licence being a 45kmh limit they should be providing a list of suitable machines because I would think there are very few vehicles being sold brand new today that wont go even a smidge over 45, thus according to you 99% of people using that licence in Ireland tomorrow morning for their commute are riding illegally and insurance wont pay out, sure they wont.

Del2005

franer1970 wrote: »

Capacity for Class AM is not defined.

Top speed is restricted by the gearing that's fitted or by an electronic limiter I would imagine.

See here for current licensing classes.
http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Learner-Drivers/Motorcyclists/no-name-yet/

I should stop speed reading stuff I thought I knew.

Del2005

Giuliana Bald Walnut wrote: »

No its not, thats the problem. They say any vehicle over 45kmh, if you go into bike world most 50cc mopeds/scooters whatever you buy with that licence will be capable of more than that speed. So we really need either a new licence category or for the manufacturers to start making 35cc machines or putting electronic speed limiters in them for the Irish market which isnt going to happen.

If they rely on that licence being a 45kmh limit they should be providing a list of suitable machines because I would think there are very few vehicles being sold brand new today that wont go even a smidge over 45, thus according to you 99% of people using that licence in Ireland tomorrow morning for their commute are riding illegally and insurance wont pay out, sure they wont.

It's not an Irish market issue, bike classifications are standardised throughout the EU. Plenty of bikes for sale meet the criteria of not exceeding 45km/h. It's just no one buys them here as we have a terrible attitude to licencing laws, which isn't helped our complete lack of enforcement.

737max

German police carry a set of small rollers in the boot. If they put a scooter on the rollers and it exceeds the restricted speed limit the rider is walking home and paying a fine.

737max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Njcer5McBI

rollers shown at 1 minute.

slinky2000

737max wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Njcer5McBI

rollers shown at 1 minute.

Now that's cool!

737max

737max wrote: »

German police carry a set of small rollers in the boot. If they put a scooter on the rollers and it exceeds the restricted speed limit the rider is walking home and paying a fine.

The reason they have that is because in the Spain, The Netherlands and Germany in particular there is a huge scene of modifying these bikes. They all stick 70 or 80cc Polini/Malossi big bore kits on them making them good for probably 70/80mph and dont declare it on the insurance.

I dont think anyone wants to see a 15/16 year old riding a scooter/moped capable of 80mph
This is why they do this testing, to catch these people not your average Joe on an unmodified bike.

In fact it even says it in the youtube title "Rollerkontrolle mit der POLIZEI - Reportage TUNING"

Del2005 wrote: »

The capacity is defined. No every person riding a scooter is riding illegally if they have it insured as a moped, not every scooter is a moped and mopeds aren't all scooters.



This is the reason why insurance in this country is so high.

No its not, your actually talking through your arse. There is no insurer in the country that will not pay out on any 50cc moped/scooter crash if someone has an AM license regardless of whether it goes over 45km. Insurance in this country is so high because of the ridiculous compensation awarded in courts for minor injuries, nothing to do with people driving 50cc vehicles on an AM licence

Talk all you want about lack of enforcement (which I agree with you on) but there is no way insurance will not pay out unless the bike is modified and not declared.

737max

Even for a 50cc scooter the insurance is extortionate in Ireland unless you are a 55 year old woman so there are few mopeds or scooters around.
In Germany you can go in to a hypermarket/supermarket like Real and buy a scooter for under 800 euro, buy insurance which arrives to you as a metal license plate in the post for under 30 euro and you are then mobile.
Ireland robs people of the freedom of mobility which has material effects on your ability to socialize or simply better your situation by allowing you to commute to work.