I want to be a business mans protege

Reunoy

I was in college. I chose the complete wrong course. I am now incredibly interested in Business and entrepreneurship. I am going to go and study entrepreneurship in IADT in September. I would really love to have an internship or just be the helper or 'protege' for a successful business man, even if i didnt get paid. The experience would be incredible and being around that sort of environment would be extremely valuable.

Does this sort of thing exist in Business, it seems like something you would and maybe have seen in a movie. Any tips people?

ironclaw

It does exist. But it depends on the industry. What do you want to do? Spending time with the VP of a software firm would be totally different to the hours spent with a road haulage king pin. You need to find a market and business that interests you.

Foe example, most financial traders will take you under their wing if you can demonstrate a prior knowledge, just don't go in 'raw' i.e. You'll only get out what you put in before. They won't teach you, they'll mentor you. So, coming back to the financial trader, you'd want to have a fairly substantial knowledge of stocks before you approached them and you'd want to have some set goals for what you want to get out of it. The same would apply to anyone you approach. They'll also be very, very unlikely to pay you unless you again have some prior skills or knowledge of the industry they work in, and their is some form of mutual benefit, otherwise they can just hire a secretary or GoFor.

My advice is approach people that interest you, have a pitch ready in your head and try your luck. You're going to get 1000's No's until you get a Yes, so be prepared for that too. Develop your skills in the sector you love while you try and who knows, you might be teaching them some day.

mneylon

A few things ..

First off - you need to focus on something specific ie. a specific industry / vertical
Secondly, it's 2016 - why are you only interested in working for a man?
Thirdly, based on other threads you've posted here it sounds like you can't really afford to go and work for anyone without getting paid.

draiochtanois

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pedroeibar1

Blacknight wrote: »

A few things ..
Secondly, it's 2016 - why are you only interested in working for a man?
Thirdly, based on other threads you've posted here it sounds like you can't really afford to go and work for anyone without getting paid.

I agree, which is why I did not bother posting. The OPs other posts are contradictory, - I did not go to uni, I'm at IADT, wants info (mid term) on going to IADT. Why would a person supposedly studying 'entrepreneurship' want to work for someone else? sort of contradictory? What business student needs to ask how to buy an appartment when s/he has no job?

'Protege' is also the wrong term, it should be PA and all of those working for top businesspeople are recruited by them, having already 'shined' in their respective careers - Tony Ryan had several, one being Michael O'Leary who once did his accounts when in KPMG. Many of the top people in Smurfit Kappa worked as PA to Michael S. What the OP is qualified for is Jobsbridge and any businessperson that hires him/her would not be worth working for. It is Timewaster threads like this that are killing this Forum..

Atomico

Yes, it's more like something from a movie than real life, and it is where it should stay! You'll learn more from doing than watching someone else 'do'. If you are entrepreneurial you will already be working and tinkering on things, even on the side.

What have you done so far / what do you plan to do? What interests you?

Reunoy

Some of my posts are hypothetical situations in order to get answers to all the questions I have!

Reunoy

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I agree, which is why I did not bother posting. The OPs other posts are contradictory, - I did not go to uni, I'm at IADT, wants info (mid term) on going to IADT. Why would a person supposedly studying 'entrepreneurship' want to work for someone else? sort of contradictory? What business student needs to ask how to buy an appartment when s/he has no job?

'Protege' is also the wrong term, it should be PA and all of those working for top businesspeople are recruited by them, having already 'shined' in their respective careers - Tony Ryan had several, one being Michael O'Leary who once did his accounts when in KPMG. Many of the top people in Smurfit Kappa worked as PA to Michael S. What the OP is qualified for is Jobsbridge and any businessperson that hires him/her would not be worth working for. It is Timewaster threads like this that are killing this Forum..

As I said. Alot of my posts are hypothetical life situations that I am going to come across and the way to get the most true answer is to say that you are in that situation. Not state after that you are just wondering incase It may happen to you in the future. Boards.ie is for information gathering.

Graham

Reunoy wrote: »

As I said. Alot of my posts are hypothetical life situations that I am going to come across and the way to get the most true answer is to say that you are in that situation. Not state after that you are just wondering incase It may happen to you in the future. Boards.ie is for information gathering.

Ahhhh so that's how it works, I've been approaching this all wrong. Here goes nothing:

I am going to go and study super modelling in September. I would really love to have an internship or just be the helper or 'protege' for a successful supermodel, even if i didnt get paid. The experience would be incredible and being around that sort of environment would be extremely valuable. Any tips people?

Fingers crossed

pedroeibar1

Reunoy wrote: »

As I said. Alot of my posts are hypothetical life situations that I am going to come across and the way to get the most true answer is to say that you are in that situation. Not state after that you are just wondering incase It may happen to you in the future. Boards.ie is for information gathering.

Well, gather this piece of information..... From reading the foregoing I suggest you do not try to pursue a career as an English teacher, in publishing or advertising / copywriting. However, don’t rule out media studies, many who work in broadcasting have your knowledge, level of English and communication skills. All you will need are 140 points on the CAO [that means 2C3s (Hons) + 4D3s (Ord)]. Use the money you mentioned earlier to pay for your fees in a private college, the CAO points level is three time higher in NUI.

padjo5

Some comments here possibly overly harsh?

Reunoy

My level of English is fine. I don't claim any different. I do not see the point in a personal attack when all I am doing is trying to find some things out. I got 400 in m¥ leaving cert which I sat 2 years ago. I should be fine points wise for the course I choose. What is wrong with my knowledge and communication skills?

Reunoy

I really do not see anything wrong with what I am doing. I want to study Business so one of my threads was about the best business course in Ireland another thread was about property investing if you are in a business degree and this one is about being a PA for a business man. Correct me if im wrong but nothing is wrong with what I'm doing? Or is there some unwritten rules that I dont know about as I am very knew to Boards

pedroeibar1

Reunoy wrote: »

My level of English is fine. I don't claim any different. I do not see the point in a personal attack when all I am doing is trying to find some things out. I got 400 in m¥ leaving cert which I sat 2 years ago. I should be fine points wise for the course I choose. What is wrong with my knowledge and communication skills?

It's not a personal attack, you asked for 'information gathering' and you were given it. I'm not going to correct / comment on your English as it would be off-topic. Your questions are IMO not business related. And from memory Entrepreneurship at IADT is not much influenced by points levels.

Reunoy

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Well, gather this piece of information..... From reading the foregoing I suggest you do not try to pursue a career as an English teacher, in publishing or advertising / copywriting. However, don’t rule out media studies, many who work in broadcasting have your knowledge, level of English and communication skills. All you will need are 140 points on the CAO [that means 2C3s (Hons) + 4D3s (Ord)]. Use the money you mentioned earlier to pay for your fees in a private college, the CAO points level is three time higher in NUI.

That whole reply is just strange and insulting, you obviously have a big problem with what I post? What heading should this post be under? I am new hear but it seems reasonably suited to this one. You seem pretty unhappy. I dont know what old person goes home and takes out their life frustration on someone on a forum but you should vent it in other ways. Maybe physical exercise or something could help?

Axwell

Reunoy wrote: »

Some of my posts are hypothetical situations in order to get answers to all the questions I have!

This is not the place to come with hypothetical situations and to decide your college path. If you have college related questions post them in the relevant forum and find out the information there about the courses you want to do. You have started multiple threads looking for information but it seems in most cases it is just hypothetical, there is no business behind them and you are just spamming the forum with multiple threads - if you have a specific business related question post it if not then please don't continue posting these hypothetical what if's...I already closed a thread you had on a loan because it didnt belong here.

While you are at it cut out the nonsense and personal remarks...same goes for you Pedroeibar1. Both of you have received a warning.

ironclaw

To answer your question about college Reunoy, it comes down to two paths I feel:

- Don't bother with college. Take life as a springboard and build a business. This has some prerequisites and caveats. The first, and biggest, is that you have already established yourself as a business i.e. You have a track record. Many of the most successful people in the world never went to college, in fact the longer you study the less likely you are to be a billionaire, but every last one of them had a track record BEFORE they made their big move. If you have zero experience of a profit making business, this is not the track for you. Also understand that if you flop, you have no fall back. And while this is a great driver, the need to succeed, the business world is utterly unforgiving and the best idea can falter for no other reason than it's just not the right place, right time.

OR

- Go to college in a sector that interests you i.e. Engineering, The Arts and learn about that part of the world that really interests you. Silo'd Business courses, Entrepreneurial courses etc, in my opinion, are utterly worthless. You cannot teach someone to be a good businessperson. Its innate. These courses help polish the skills of someone who already has the basic drive and passion in them i.e. A person who can sell beyond all levels but is hopeless at company finance. I've been to countless Expos with students of these colleges, and while some have great ideas and businesses, an awful lot are bandwagon jumpers for the start up culture or they have rehashed an old idea. Looks great, going nowhere.

The upshot of the second is that you have a degree that can get you a job if all else fails. It also may get you into the industry you enjoy and from there, you can gain experience and perhaps even start a consultancy. Many Engineers, for example, go down this route. They specialise in a sector, take a few years of experience and start a consultancy firm or enter at managerial / board level.

Reunoy

Thanks iron claw!