Does it need a bumper replacement?

regedit

I was parked side by side this blue note the other day. I reversed out and then discovered it was warm in the car so decided to take of my jacket! Thought I was pressing foot brake but my foot was on the clutch so the car rolled into a Nissan Note parked beside me. A nice lady got a family member to check with a main dealer and they said they would not fix it but they want to replace rear bumper at a cost of 720 euro!

What do you think guys? My fault for sure but 720...

CJhaughey

It would probably need painting anyway if it was popped out, just suck it up and move on.

regedit

CJhaughey wrote: »

It would probably need painting anyway if it was popped out, just suck it up and move on.

Agree on painting but to me, it doesn't look as if thought it needs replacement

biko

Not a DIY effort, moved to main forum.

R.O.R

regedit wrote: »

Agree on painting but to me, it doesn't look as if thought it needs replacement

Sometimes it's cheaper to replace than repair. Doubt a dent that deep could be heated out and return to the correct shape.

grogi

CJhaughey wrote: »

It would probably need painting anyway if it was popped out, just suck it up and move on.

After popping out and polishing - it will look almost like new, with a few additional marks. There are other marks on it, so the owner clearly does not mind a few of those...

If the other person does not agree, I would pay cash to avoid s**t hitting the fan with the insurance history. Just make sure you get paperwork with they waving the rights to make a claim...

But if you hit me like, I'll just let you go after making sure the support underneath is straight.

grogi

R.O.R wrote: »

Sometimes it's cheaper to replace than repair. Doubt a dent that deep could be heated out and return to the correct shape.

Had much bigger ot the Prius... Returned to shape on its own over night

Neilw

If it were me you rolled into I'd be looking for a new bumper.

punisher5112

Main part should pop back but part with reflector needs to be replaced and painted also.


No telling if clips are damaged at back either.

Price is about right for a main dealer you will find labour near highest cost.

regedit

Neilw wrote: »

If it were me you rolled into I'd be looking for a new bumper.

I suppose it depends on the state of the car and the type of car lover one is. This car was covered in scratches and dents throughout.
I told the lady that I would try to get another quote and if that didn't work, I would pay for a replacement bumper.

CiniO

regedit wrote: »

Agree on painting but to me, it doesn't look as if thought it needs replacement

To me is does look like it needs replacement

Bio Mech

regedit wrote: »

I suppose it depends on the state of the car and the type of car lover one is. This car was covered in scratches and dents throughout.
I told the lady that I would try to get another quote and if that didn't work, I would pay for a replacement bumper.

Its not really up to you though. You hit her and she is entitled to have it replaced. As said above its one you need to suck up and move on.

honreal

regedit wrote: »

I was parked side by side this blue note the other day. I reversed out and then discovered it was warm in the car so decided to take of my jacket! Thought I was pressing foot brake but my foot was on the clutch so the car rolled into a Nissan Note parked beside me. A nice lady got a family member to check with a main dealer and they said they would not fix it but they want to replace rear bumper at a cost of 720 euro!

What do you think guys? My fault for sure but 720...

do you normally brake with the left foot? Pressing the clutch instead of the break with the right foot would feel off never mind the over stretch to get a good press on the clutch

stezie

The right panel beater, ( which main dealers aren't, they send all their body work elsewhere), would apply a small bit of heat to the plastic and push the bumper back into shape. then to leave it perfect, sand it smooth and repaint paint the bumper again... €150 -> €250 id say at most, good as new... tell the owner you want them to go to a panel beater you know, get the work done and leave a pack of beer / box of chocolates / etc in the car for the inconvenience... anything to stay away from an insurance claim!

CiniO

stezie wrote: »

The right panel beater, ( which main dealers aren't, they send all their body work elsewhere), would apply a small bit of heat to the plastic and push the bumper back into shape. then to leave it perfect, sand it smooth and repaint paint the bumper again... €150 -> €250 id say at most, good as new... tell the owner you want them to go to a panel beater you know, get the work done and leave a pack of beer / box of chocolates / etc in the car for the inconvenience... anything to stay away from an insurance claim!

But the owner of that car, had a bumper which was not repaired beforehand, and now you are proposing they should agree instead of bumper replacement to have a bumper repaired by good panel beater?

That person is entitled to new bumper as his old one was damaged by OP.

stezie

CiniO wrote: »

But the owner of that car, had a bumper which was not repaired beforehand, and now you are proposing they should agree instead of bumper replacement to have a bumper repaired by good panel beater?

That person is entitled to new bumper as his old one was damaged by OP.

Exactly. this country needs to stop ripping the arse out of things. its a plastic bumper that can return to its original shape. you will still need to sand, and paint a brand new bumper.


based on your response, So what happens then if someone scratches the rear quarter panel in your car, a panel that cannot be unbolted. it will need replaced by cutting and welding, would you expect a brand new car out of it, or an insurance write off?

CJhaughey

stezie wrote: »

Exactly. this country needs to stop ripping the arse out of things. its a plastic bumper that can return to its original shape. you will still need to sand, and paint a brand new bumper.


based on your response, So what happens then if someone scratches the rear quarter panel in your car, a panel that cannot be unbolted. it will need replaced by cutting and welding, would you expect a brand new car out of it, or an insurance write off?

Big difference between a removable plastic bumper and a non-removable quarter panel though.
Bumpers are designed to get dented and then be replaced thats why they have clips on them to aid removal.
Bumpers and the like aren't the big issue the big issue is personal injuries and this is a minor issue that happens to cost €720.
I wouldn't start trying to dictate where they should go and what they should do because the whole thing could escalate and just be put through insurance where the consequences would be a lot worse.

grogi

stezie wrote: »

Exactly. this country needs to stop ripping the arse out of things. its a plastic bumper that can return to its original shape. you will still need to sand, and paint a brand new bumper.

It should be, but unfortunately OP is not in the position of power. He wants this to go away, and that privilege costs.

The claim would be lowered should the insurance company is involved - they would play two cards: prior damage to the car plus possibility of repair. But financial consequences would be far worse in long term.

mickdw

Pay the woman and move on.
You have no entitlement to have the car brought to a garage of your choice. It's her car, she gets to pick.
yes, that will pop out but it will need filling and painting plus there is a trim that will need to be bought if available seperately.
Sure it can be fixed for low hundreds but if it was me you hit, I'd want a new genuine bumper, not a bumper with the corner filled.

regedit

I was not even dreaming of dictating where the car gets repaired. Please check my first pist. I merely asked if 720 was excessive and if it needed a new bumper. The other party was extremely nice about it. I asked would it be ok if I tried to get another quote and she agreed. She thought it would be easy to fix since ut's plastic. Found a reputable body shop who's seen the pictures and thinks it's very easy job to do. Quoted me 350. Will even give lady a replacement car for 2 days.
Again, I will give her the option tomorrow. If she insists she wants a new bumper, no problem. My fault

Skatedude

It all depends on the design of the bumper, Some cars have a ridiculous amount of clips etc on the inside of the bumper, if they break then a new bumper is nearly always fitted, but i have no idea on the bumper design on that model.

John_Rambo

regedit wrote: »

I was not even dreaming of dictating where the car gets repaired. Please check my first pist. I merely asked if 720 was excessive and if it needed a new bumper. The other party was extremely nice about it. I asked would it be ok if I tried to get another quote and she agreed. She thought it would be easy to fix since ut's plastic. Found a reputable body shop who's seen the pictures and thinks it's very easy job to do. Quoted me 350. Will even give lady a replacement car for 2 days.
Again, I will give her the option tomorrow. If she insists she wants a new bumper, no problem. My fault

Someone will find an argument in here somewhere.

mickdw

John_Rambo wrote: »

Someone will find an argument in here somewhere.

All fine once op is genuine but so in their right mind would allow their car go off to the other parties suggested bodyshop when the reason iis to get the job done for half price and the other party is paying?
The Kennet is entitled to the full repair cost of 700 odd. How they decide to fix it is then their own choice. They may not even bother but still entitled to repair cost.

grogi

mickdw wrote: »

All fine once op is genuine but so in their right mind would allow their car go off to the other parties suggested bodyshop when the reason iis to get the job done for half price and the other party is paying?
The Kennet is entitled to the full repair cost of 700 odd. How they decide to fix it is then their own choice. They may not even bother but still entitled to repair cost.

It is a private agreement between two parties, nothing to do with entitlement.

€350 to fix it + courtesy car + €150 for the trouble - would it make your mind more keen?

DakarVert

Easiest option is get a bumper the same colour, Bolt on... Should be less than €200.

Stallingrad

I'd be brining it to Dentpro before replacing anything, I've seen good before and after pics of jobs just like this.

http://www.dentpro.ie

Theboinkmaster

I've used shane in carcraft loads and couldn't fault their work.

mickdw

The point here is that the damaged party are within their rights to have the damage priced based on a repair with new parts.
They may well push it out themselves or not bother at all with any repair.
They still have to be paid for the damage and that is assessed at 700 in this case.