Dublin City Council expose people who dump rubbish

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Do you think this is a reasonable thing to do?

I feel like once it's known that this will happen it's a reasonable response, if you were seen and prosecuted the public would know anyway.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Yeah, dirty yokes.

The flying mouse

Dont think its an invasion of privacy ,I think it's lazy horrible offence to be doing by throwing rubbish everywhere except its proper place,as for them flytippers, their photos and vehicles should up there for all to see, For once this is not a real rubbish story.

spurious

Within a day of the poster going up at Frankfort Cottages, near the Five Lamps, the street was clear of rubbish.

There we go. More of this sort of thing, thanks.

colm_mcm

So the illegal dumpers signed up for bin services, and didn't just dump their rubbish somewhere else!

AnonoBoy

If you're dumping rubbish illegally on a public street then there's no expectation of privacy.

If you don't want your image published there's a very simple way around it - don't dump your rubbish like a scumbag!

Alf Stewart.

There's a real simple way the illegal flytippers can go to bypass/avoid having your details published.

Stop fcukin fly tipping you scumbags.

GLaDOS

They obviously know it's scummy behaviour, otherwise they wouldn't be worried about getting their picture published.

Great idea by DCC.

osarusan

One the one hand, it seems like a great idea and should happen everywhere.

On the other hand, I wonder id we'd see a lawsuit coming the way of SDCC for the 'public humiliation' (or words to that effect) their photos caused the people whose photos were posted?

I would not surprise me if the law ended up allowing that kind of case to be brought.

12Phase

Fair enough if they can prove it in court. It's highly risky if they can't as it's likely to be defamatory.

The CCTV images would need to be very clear that the person was actually illegally dumping and not say just looking at the material or passing by.

Irish law is very very heavily balanced in favour of the accused when it comes to libel / defamation .

If it's obvious and provable though, fair enough. It's a public space and you deserve to explain yourself to the public.

I don't think you'd have any protection from "public humiliation" just from false accusations.

I would assume the City has run it past lawyers though. They're well resourced for that kind of thing.

Hasmunch

“We have identified that the people in the images are local people and, within a few hours of the poster going up, we had one person call in to us asking for the picture to be taken down because their neighbours would know who they were.”

Ha...

AnonoBoy

12Phase wrote: »

Fair enough if they can prove it in court.

The CCTV images would need to be very clear that the person was actually illegally dumping and not say just looking at the material or passing by.

That's not hard to prove at all. The rubbish is in the person's hands, it's then on the ground.

Case closed yer honour.

astrofool

Don't worry, the legal profession will see an end to this soon as they're not getting their pound of flesh.

DCC will be forced to gather evidence and prosecute every single individual, knowing said individual would not pay any fine anyway, and will be let off by a judge because their upbringing was not on standard with the kings and queens of Europe.

12Phase

AnonoBoy wrote: »

That's not hard to prove at all. The rubbish is in the person's hands, it's then on the ground.

Case closed yer honour.

If they can do that yeah.

There have been cases of shops posting images of shop lifting which got legally complicated due to lack of clarity.

SEPT 23 1989

are they targeting bugs or louts?

osarusan

12Phase wrote: »

I don't think you'd have any protection from "public humiliation" just from false accusations.

Replace public humiliation with defamation then. If SDCC has positioned itself as judge and jury and posted some version of a 'wall of shame' and people are put up there by mistake, they'd surely have some kind of case.

It wouldn't surprise me if they had a case even if they had been dumping.

12Phase wrote: »

I would assume the City has run it past lawyers though. They're well resourced for that kind of thing.

I assume and hope so.

The_Valeyard

I'd say they be down in the dumps after been exposed.

AnonoBoy

12Phase wrote: »

If they can do that yeah.

There have been cases of shops posting images of shop lifting which got legally complicated due to lack of clarity.

Well surely they're getting the images from CCTV so they have the full moving images.

It's much easier to prove than shoplifting as they're actually leaving something there as opposed to taking something small.

tayto lover

I know it would be hard to police but i'd love to see "On-the-spot" fines for spitting on the street. Spitting on the footpath is a horrible thing to do. Use a feckin' tissue.

Trent Houseboat

I hope it works. I used to walk through some parts of Dublin City where it was common for people to put their household waste out on the street in black bags knowing that the council would eventually pick it up. But if that took a week and the seagulls and rats had been at it didn't stop them from doing it again the next week.
I remember about four or five years ago we had a pretty hot (by our standards)summer and the stink was unbearable walking home at six o'clock past the baked rubbish.

JustTheOne

Did I read it right that the problem was the dumpers weren't leaving their rubbish out at the designated time for collection each week by dcc?

Am I reading it right that they get their rubbish collected for free each week?

Something rings a bell that certain areas don't have to pay bin charges?

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-city-council-illegal-dumping-2709874-Apr2016/

gramar

tayto lover wrote: »

I know it would be hard to police but i'd love to see "On-the-spot" fines for spitting on the street. Spitting on the footpath is a horrible thing to do. Use a feckin' tissue.

Which will lead to a gobby spit soaked tissue being thrown in the street. Swallowing is the only answer.

myshirt

What's next? Slut shaming?

ScumLord

osarusan wrote: »

On the other hand, I wonder id we'd see a lawsuit coming the way of SDCC for the 'public humiliation' (or words to that effect) their photos caused the people whose photos were posted?

Public humiliation should be used more. It's not really cruel, it costs nothing and takes advantage of a human centric behaviour. It only works if the person is a decent enough sort most of the time and can experience shame. They get a lesson burned into their brain and won't do it again.

12Phase wrote: »

Fair enough if they can prove it in court. It's highly risky if they can't as it's likely to be defamatory.

Why would they need to prove anything? They're not identifying anyone or accusing them of anything. All they're doing is posting pictures of dumping.

osarusan

ScumLord wrote: »

Why would they need to prove anything? They're not identifying anyone or accusing them of anything. All they're doing is posting pictures of dumping.

They are posting images either with the intention of or in the knowledge that the people in the pictures could be identifiable:

The faces of the men and women are slightly blurred, due to the quality of the CCTV footage, but they would be able to identify themselves from the images, as most likely would their neighbours , the council said. “This is the first poster we’ve put up showing people dumping their rubbish, and we got an instant reaction,” John McPartlan, public domain officer with the council said.
“We have identified that the people in the images are local people and, within a few hours of the poster going up, we had one person call in to us asking for the picture to be taken down because their neighbours would know who they were.”

I don't know how far the 'were not accusing anybody of anything, just putting up some pictures' argument will go. Especially when the caption next to the still images is 'Dumpers… We’re watching. We’re prosecuting.' If the idea is to shame people into stopping, the idea or threat of being identified/identifiable seems to be fairly central to that.

But I hope it's all been evaluated legally.

Boskowski

tayto lover wrote: »

I know it would be hard to police but i'd love to see "On-the-spot" fines for spitting on the street. Spitting on the footpath is a horrible thing to do. Use a feckin' tissue.

What's so terrible about it? Are you lickin the footpaths?

AnonoBoy

Boskowski wrote: »

What's so terrible about it? Are you lickin the footpaths?

And what if I am?

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