In love with an illegal immigrant

Go Tobban

Hi there,

2 years ago my sister got married to a Filipino man who is an Irish citizen with an Irish passport and has been here 12 years

On their wedding day I got to know one of his sisters who had been working here illegally for 2 years in care homes as a qualified nurse. She was paid cash in hand for this time and is an illegal immigrant. Her employers know this but take advantage of the situation, yet treat her very well

I've since fallen in love with this girl and we plan to have a family together down the line. We're both 28 but the issue of her being illegal in the country is an obvious problem. Legally, what is the situation here? I want to marry and eventually have children but the fact that she is officially illegal obviously complicates matters. Is there anywhere for this to go without me having to leave the country and leave the good job I currently hold?

shamrock55

Maybe get married abroad,and come back a married couple,just let on she was never hear at all,I presume she doesn't have a pps no,if not she doesn't exist here

Annasopra

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another36

Go Tobban wrote: »

Hi there,

2 years ago my sister got married to a Filipino man who is an Irish citizen with an Irish passport and has been here 12 years

On their wedding day I got to know one of his sisters who had been working here illegally for 2 years in care homes as a qualified nurse. She was paid cash in hand for this time and is an illegal immigrant. Her employers know this but take advantage of the situation, yet treat her very well

I've since fallen in love with this girl and w plan to have a family together down the line. We're both 28 but the issue of her being illegal in the country is an obvious problem. Legally, what is the situation here? I want to marry her and eventually have children but the fact that she is officially illegal obviously complicates matters. Is there anywhere for this to go without me having to leave the country and leave the good job I currently hold?

I agree with the other poster if u want to marry go back to her home town get married and come back and apply for her to legally stay.

Sorry but I'm concerned about one element of this a nursing home have a qualified nurse working for them who isn't on their books? Nurses are ment to be registered insured ect... that really is a very dodgy situation for the nursing home!

uck51js9zml2yt

Correct me if I'm wrong but won't her leaving flag at emigration that she didn't have a valid visa and bar re-entry?

Ed The Equalizer

I think the only way to do it legally without you giving up your job is to send her home, start a documented relationship with her, visit her in the Philippines for holidays, get married, and then apply for a visa for her to join you here. You could say you first met her when she was here legally and then rekindled the relationship a few years later.

The other way, as you say, would involve moving to the Philippines, getting married, and coming back together, but that would obviously have financial and job implications.

Another angle is to try and get a job in another EU country. Your spouse would automatically get a visa and then you could move back to Ireland at a later date.

Dandelion6

Veda Sweet Robin wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but won't her leaving flag at emigration that she didn't have a valid visa and bar re-entry?

There is no "emigration". The only people she'll have to show her passport to are the airline and they won't care.

That said you will need to convince INIS that yours is a genuine relationship so that will involve disclosing her residency status. They can't refuse her just for that reason though, if you're married.

Ed The Equalizer

Veda Sweet Robin wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but won't her leaving flag at emigration that she didn't have a valid visa and bar re-entry?

There are no stamps on the way out of Ireland so nobody here would ever know for sure when she left.

Ed The Equalizer

Dandelion6 wrote: »

That said you will need to convince INIS that yours is a genuine relationship so that will involve disclosing her residency status. They can't refuse her just for that reason though, if you're married.

Are you saying they can get married here and she won't be deported as long as it's a genuine relationship?

Pro Hoc Vice

Go Tobban wrote: »

Hi there,

2 years ago my sister got married to a Filipino man who is an Irish citizen with an Irish passport and has been here 12 years

On their wedding day I got to know one of his sisters who had been working here illegally for 2 years in care homes as a qualified nurse. She was paid cash in hand for this time and is an illegal immigrant. Her employers know this but take advantage of the situation, yet treat her very well

I've since fallen in love with this girl and w plan to have a family together down the line. We're both 28 but the issue of her being illegal in the country is an obvious problem. Legally, what is the situation here? I want to marry her and eventually have children but the fact that she is officially illegal obviously complicates matters. Is there anywhere for this to go without me having to leave the country and leave the good job I currently hold?

1st question are ye living together, 2nd question are you working not claiming any SW, with a income on in excess of €20,000 over 2 years.

There are a number of legal options for her and you but as each case is unique you woul be best advised to seek the assistance of a solicitor who actually practices in this area.

Dandelion6

Ed The Equalizer wrote: »

Are you saying they can get married here and she won't be deported as long as it's a genuine relationship?

The jurisprudence is pretty clear on this, an Irish citizen and their spouse have a constitutional right to live together in Ireland. The state needs a very good reason to refuse them and just her living and working here without documentation doesn't meet that threshold.

robclay26

Go Tobban wrote: »

Hi there,

2 years ago my sister got married to a Filipino man who is an Irish citizen with an Irish passport and has been here 12 years

On their wedding day I got to know one of his sisters who had been working here illegally for 2 years in care homes as a qualified nurse. She was paid cash in hand for this time and is an illegal immigrant. Her employers know this but take advantage of the situation, yet treat her very well

I've since fallen in love with this girl and we plan to have a family together down the line. We're both 28 but the issue of her being illegal in the country is an obvious problem. Legally, what is the situation here? I want to marry and eventually have children but the fact that she is officially illegal obviously complicates matters. Is there anywhere for this to go without me having to leave the country and leave the good job I currently hold?

Been down your very road, PM me for what we did.

Monife

robclay26 wrote: »

Been down your very road, PM me for what we did.

Also been down your road, you can also PM me with any questions if you like Hubby is an Irish citizen now

BattleCorp

Ed The Equalizer wrote: »

Are you saying they can get married here and she won't be deported as long as it's a genuine relationship?

Do you have to provide a PPS number when giving the legally required three months notice period before getting married?

If so, would somebody illegal have a PPS number? I doubt it.

Therefore the straightforward option of getting married here mightn't be available.

Fred Swanson

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Monife

You don't need to be legal to get a pps number, you just need to prove you're resident, proof of ID and the reason why you need one (medical reasons or applying for provisional driving licence). At least that was the case with my husband 6 years ago.

Also, would advise against getting married here until she has some sort of status unless you want an immigration officer showing up at your wedding, which happened to us, as registrars are legally obliged to report upcoming non-EU national marriage ceremonies.