Price for fitting shower

Hedgecutter

Leasing a house and asked a Plummer to price fitting an electric shower for me.
Heard no more till today when the tenant handed me a bill for 930 euros.
Is this overly high for a electric shower. He fitted two taps as well.

What was there before was a gravity shower so wiring to fuse board would have been required.

punisher5112

Hedgecutter wrote: »

Leasing a house and asked a Plummer to price fitting an electric shower for me.
Heard no more till today when the tenant handed me a bill for 930 euros.
Is this overly high for a electric shower. He fitted two taps as well.

What was there before was a gravity shower so wiring to fuse board would have been required.

Hold on who agreed to the work been done?

That honestly seems high.

Trition shower approx 200-250 cable approx 50, two taps are they made of gold???.

Hedgecutter

punisher5112 wrote: »

Hold on who agreed to the work been done?

That honestly seems high.

Trition shower approx 200-250 cable approx 50, two taps are they made of gold???.

Work was never agreed. I asked for a price before xmas and heard no more. Next thing I have a bill in the post.

That's what I'm thinking. It's a while since I've organised trades men, so I'm thinking the rates have gone up but Christ 930e seems well about honest value.

Water John

I presume an electrician did and signed off on the wiring, fitting circuit breaker etc.
That is two trades people on the job. would be reflected in the price.
However, if the wiring wasn't certified pay nothing. This is 8/9 Kw, into a wet room. Needs to be right.

punisher5112

Hedgecutter wrote: »

Work was never agreed. I asked for a price before xmas and heard no more. Next thing I have a bill in the post.

That's what I'm thinking. It's a while since I've organised trades men, so I'm thinking the rates have gone up but Christ 930e seems well about honest value.

Who owns property and if its yours from what I read you never agreed to work been done.

I hope you do not pay that much

punisher5112

I would be finding out who got work done did the tenant go around you?

Why did it need to be electric shower?

Was old shower not up to standard?

Water John

If it is not certified and done by an electrician, not alone would I not pay, I would stop its use until you are sure it is safe.

Hedgecutter

The guy is a certified spark and a good one. I know him fairly well. only got the bill today and intend questioning it Monday. I own the house and asked the guy to call and have a look at what would need to be done. The mistake I made was letting the tenant deal with him once they meet. I agreed nothing.

I Want to make sure I have my ducks in a row before I confront him as Iv said I a bit out of the loop with trades man

Sleeper12

Google electric shower installation. You'll find that the price for full installation, using a plumber & electrician with certs is 600 to 700 supplied & fitted for an 8.5kw triton t90z. You can add close to another 100 if it is 9.5kw.
This is what I do for a living. The only way I can see the price getting that high would be 9.5kw shower, 3 or 4 story building with fusebox at ground level, chasing walls & plastering after or possibly having to tile after. For the average house it is 600 to 700 euro with a cert. Ah by the way that is inc vat

It is usually 2 hours work for the plumber & electrician

roy rodgers

I'm sorry but 930 seems about right to me

Shower will cost about 300 euro from your local suppliers but if your in woodies or b+q on a good day you could get it for 250 but that's not for trade.
The wiring can be a tricky one depends on the route..
He didn't screw ya but didn't do any favours and why should he because if anything goes wrong you will be the first to ring him

punisher5112

roy rodgers wrote: »

I'm sorry but 930 seems about right to me

Shower will cost about 300 euro from your local suppliers but if your in woodies or b+q on a good day you could get it for 250 but that's not for trade.
The wiring can be a tricky one depends on the route..
He didn't screw ya but didn't do any favours and why should he because if anything goes wrong you will be the first to ring him

He never asked for it to be done.

I really can't understand it at all.
Who in their right mind would carry out work if they were never told to in 1st place.

I have yet to see a rental property with that sort of shower fitted.
If the original set up was working 99% would leave it be.

Sleeper12

roy rodgers wrote:

Shower will cost about 300 euro from your local suppliers but if your in woodies or b+q on a good day you could get it for 250 but that's not for trade. The wiring can be a tricky one depends on the route.. He didn't screw ya but didn't do any favours and why should he because if anything goes wrong you will be the first to ring him

roy rodgers wrote:

I'm sorry but 930 seems about right to me

Triton t90z is 210 in B&Q. 220 /230 in Woodies. 210 /220 over the trade counter. Rrp is only 250 euro.

There are cowboys doing this job for 500 without receipt or cert.

The average price for a full installation supplied & fitted by a plumber & an electrician with a cert is 600 to 700. Google it & you will see. He is screwing him. I'm calculating over 30 to 40% above the industry norm. I call that a rip off.

roy rodgers

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Triton t90z is 210 in B&Q. 220 /230 in Woodies. 210 /220 over the trade counter. Rrp is only 250 euro.

There are cowboys doing this job for 500 without receipt or cert.

The average price for a full installation supplied & fitted by a plumber & an electrician with a cert is 600 to 700. Google it & you will see. He is screwing him. I'm calculating over 30 to 40% above the industry norm. I call that a rip off.

Well as a plumber and know how the electics work its not an abnormal price. We don't know the house set up so you can't put a final figure sum on it.

There is not as many electric showers been fitted from scratch for a long while now as energy cost have come down and there isn't just the demand for them at the moment..

There's 200 euro between your price and mine. Not a lot in the grand scheme of things.

Hedgecutter

roy rodgers wrote: »

Well as a plumber and know how the electics work its not an abnormal price. We don't know the house set up so you can't put a final figure sum on it.

There is not as many electric showers been fitted from scratch for a long while now as energy cost have come down and there isn't just the demand for them at the moment..

There's 200 euro between your price and mine. Not a lot in the grand scheme of things.

Bungalow with new circuit board, run of about 7-8 m to the bathroom straight through attic. Standard gravity shower in bathroom. He fitted hot and cold to sink in bathroom as well.

punisher5112

I'm still lost as to who told him to do the work.

What genuine plumber/electrician would carry out a job they were never asked to do.

Dtp1979

Don't forget he fitted and supplied taps too.
Op, if he's a registered sparks he genuinely might've forgot to give you the cert so simply ask for one.
I'm assuming the bill shows the VAT amount too.
The only issue here is that he fitted all this without your consent, or maybe he misunderstood you originally. Either way, the price is about right if that includes vat and cert

Sleeper12

roy rodgers wrote: »

Well as a plumber and know how the electics work its not an abnormal price. We don't know the house set up so you can't put a final figure sum on it.

There is not as many electric showers been fitted from scratch for a long while now as energy cost have come down and there isn't just the demand for them at the moment..

There's 200 euro between your price and mine. Not a lot in the grand scheme of things.

I'm a plumber myself but I own a shower installation / repair company we do one or two full installations per week. That figure wouldn't be down on the boom year figures so obviously most of our work are change overs & repairs.

€200 of a price difference is a lot to the op in the grand scheme of things. Its about 30% above the dearest end of what he should have been quoted & its the 30% he has a problem with

I suggest op ring Dublin Shower Repair, The Shower People, Aqua Showers, Shower repairs Dublin, The Shower Center (On the Malahide Road), North Dublin Heating, De War Plumbers, Dublin Plumber. Etc.
There are many more than this most €600 but some up to €700.
It is my business so we keep an eye on everyone else prices almost daily so I'm doubting op will find anyone advertising a price over €650 supplied & fitted.
Armed with this information he can question the bill he has gotten.
If it were me I'd get written quotes from these companies & pay him the highest of the quotes. If he wants the 30% extra tell him you never agreed that price & suggest he get it from the tenant if the tenant agreed it with him. If I were op I'd ask for a breakdown of what the plumber & electrician charge each. One or both is getting stuck into him & if it were me I'd want to know witch one of them that I'd never use again.

OP please come back & let us know the outcome. All too often we never get to hear the end of the story

Hedgecutter

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'm still lost as to who told him to do the work.

What genuine plumber/electrician would carry out a job they were never asked to do.

That's what I'll get to the bottom of tomorrow night.

If that price is the high side of the normal I'll get over it but no work should have been carried out without my approval.

punisher5112

Hedgecutter wrote: »

That's what I'll get to the bottom of tomorrow night.

If that price is the high side of the normal I'll get over it but no work should have been carried out without my approval.

If it were tenant I would be looking to get rid of up the rent. Now how realistic that is we would need more info as when was last increase and is there a lease or part 4...

Good luck with the haggling.

Sleeper12

Hedgecutter wrote: »

Bungalow with new circuit board, run of about 7-8 m to the bathroom straight through attic. Standard gravity shower in bathroom. He fitted hot and cold to sink in bathroom as well.

I missed this post earlier. A bungalow. Someone is taking the P**s. You are talking €550 to €600 tops. Even allowing €100 for a pair of taps thats still 30% above what it should have been.

As for who gave permission, I never ever go on the tenants say so. If the job differs in anyway from what is discussed with the landlord I don't do a thing without speaking to the landlord first. Manys a time the tenant says landlord says new shower instead or repair. You ALWAYS get the final ok from the one who pays.

I'm sure if you drove by at the time you would have seen the Indians circling the house cos the cowboys were inside.

Dtp1979

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I missed this post earlier. A bungalow. Someone is taking the P**s. You are talking €550 to €600 tops. Even allowing €100 for a pair of taps thats still 30% above what it should have been.

As for who gave permission, I never ever go on the tenants say so. If the job differs in anyway from what is discussed with the landlord I don't do a thing without speaking to the landlord first. Manys a time the tenant says landlord says new shower instead or repair. You ALWAYS get the final ok from the one who pays.

I'm sure if you drove by at the time you would have seen the Indians circling the house cos the cowboys were inside.

Ye I'm kinda agreeing with the above now. That is unless he had fitted really expensive taps and the old ones were a nightmare to remove.
Op you said earlier that you left the tenant to deal with the installer. Did you happen to say something like " do whatever it takes as long as it's done right " to him/her?

Sleeper12

Dtp1979 wrote:

Ye I'm kinda agreeing with the above now. That is unless he had fitted really expensive taps and the old ones were a nightmare to remove. Op you said earlier that you left the tenant to deal with the installer. Did you happen to say something like " do whatever it takes as long as it's done right " to him/her?

I gave up most plumbing a long time ago but I do remember very old taps and the fitting seized. The only way to get them off was a hacksaw blade on the tap itself. Topside of the basin. Not wanting to mark the basin itself it took 2 hours to do the pair. My hand was in bits afterwards. Let me tell you if I hadn't agreed a price beforehand I'd have charged 900 just for the taps.

Dtp1979

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I gave up most plumbing a long time ago but I do remember very old taps and the fitting seized. The only way to get them off was a hacksaw blade on the tap itself. Topside of the basin. Not wanting to mark the basin itself it took 2 hours to do the pair. My hand was in bits afterwards. Let me tell you if I hadn't agreed a price beforehand I'd have charged 900 just for the taps.

I used to use the hacksaw blade too. But, There's actually a MUCH better way to remove old taps now. It has revolutionised the way i change old taps. I fear no old tap anymore.

punisher5112

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I used to use the hacksaw blade too. But, There's actually a MUCH better way to remove old taps now. It has revolutionised the way i change old taps. I fear no old tap anymore.

Replace complete sink ha.....

I have a reciprocating saw so let I do all the work cut through anything.

Dtp1979

punisher5112 wrote: »

Replace complete sink ha.....

I have a reciprocating saw so let I do all the work cut through anything.

Good lord no you'll destroy the sink.
Take out the spindle.
Get a 19mm hole saw down where the spindle was.
Drill.
It's fantastic honestly