Xs and Os person PAYE AND self employed?

inisboffin

A young collleague (but over 25) asked me for help with a simple question and it seems I'm not sure
Before I go down the rabbit hole, or send him to the tax office, I thought I'd ask here:

He's on X's and O's (casual employment/unemployment) PAYE with a couple of jobs (he is in the Arts). He now has the possibility of some work, but not on payroll. It would be once a week or so for a few months.

The question is, how much can you earn 'non paye' before you need to go fully self-employed? He's concerned that he will change status by accepting this job, and it will mess up everything else, but I have a feeling you can do both, *up to a certain amount* of non paye, and still remain paye. He would then probably have to file tax returns for that non-paye work separately?

Obviously in terms of social welfare he would tick the working box for the day, but they seem to be separate issues (as what he is making from the non paye job is less than his paye jobs, if that makes sense) any help. I think I'm in too deep and it may be a revenue question?

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He needs to contact social welfare aboutbthe back to work schemes they have.

eastbono

His means from self employment will have to be assessed by social welfare as well as his means from employment. Its just not a case of declaring the days employment on his dockets.
The tax side of things I cant comment on but he could phone up revenue.

inisboffin

In terms of assessment is 'non paye' earnings are similar (a fiver less or something like that) than his 'paye' days. So he can just put an O for those days. Would that be an issue still?


It's more for revenue, there's an amount you can make and pay tax on as a PAYE worker, but if you go over it, you need to become self employed, at least that's my memory of it.

inisboffin

Kenley Vast Self-determination wrote: »

He needs to contact social welfare aboutbthe back to work schemes they have.

He's still working PAYE work part time (a day or two a week, so probably wouldn't qualify for them. This non paye job is just for a couple of months, once a week or less.

eastbono

Means from self employment is assessed differently to paye income

Musicman2000

He will need to register with revenue as a sole trader. Then Social Welfare will means test him , basically bank statements for the last 6 months , earnings etc and he can write off a lot against expenses . Its not that much different to means testing PAYE.

eastbono

He is already means tested for his paye earnings... income from self employment is assessed euro for euro there is disregard for reasonable expenses incurred. The criteria for assessing earnings from employment as opposed to income from self employment are completely different.

mp22

Means test from employment http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/means_test_for_social_welfare_payments/work_and_jobseekers_allowance.html


Means test from self employment http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/self_employed_and_unemployment.html