VRT - P60 not accepted

Milton09 · 31-03-2016 8:08am #1

My wife brought a car for VRT inspection on Tuesday, she had all the documentation, or so she thought, bringing her P60 as proof of name and address.
She was told however that her P60 was not acceptable, even though it was the original document given to her by her employer, as the name and address were on one side and the rest of the detail on the other.
(Its the envelope style where you tear off the sides and along the top/bottom)

She has to make a new appointment and return with a utility bill or similar and pay 23.81 surcharge.

Has anyone else come across this ? I have read the guidelines and cannot see any reference to a particular style of P60 required only that it must be an original.

FortySeven · 31-03-2016 8:20am

Never had a good experience with vrt. There is always something. It is due to the glass. There are plenty studies presenting reams of evidence that glass screens turn civil servants into uncivil demons.
When they removed them in the UK it was a breath of fresh air. Suddenly those evil, grouchy, unhelpful bar stewards became smiling, helpful employees. Same thing here in the social welfare in Galway. It is amazing how the personality changes when they realise you are arms length away from them.
I hav found it particularly difficult to give money to the vrt people on a number of occasions.

savagethegoat · 31-03-2016 8:44am

in this paperless age, finding a utility bill is very difficult.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 31-03-2016 8:53am

This sounds like someone was having a bad day and decided to be awkward and that coupled with the fact that the people working in VRT offices are completely clueless in regards to cars and were simple secretaries who were thrown into the position when they awarded them the contract.

There was never this amount of ****e involved in a simple process when it was ran by Revenue/Customs.

ironclaw · 31-03-2016 11:56am

Was the P60 printed by the employer? Unless it's headed original paper from Revenue, it's not acceptable. Your always better off bringing as many documents as you can, its easier to argue one piece of paper, it's harder to dismiss a number.

In 10 years it's going to be nigh impossible to prove one's residence. The person who solves that problem is on to a sure winner.

ohnonotgmail · 31-03-2016 12:38pm

ironclaw wrote: »

Was the P60 printed by the employer? Unless it's headed original paper from Revenue, it's not acceptable. Your always better off bringing as many documents as you can, its easier to argue one piece of paper, it's harder to dismiss a number.

In 10 years it's going to be nigh impossible to prove one's residence. The person who solves that problem is on to a sure winner.

if only there was some sort of card available to drivers that displayed their name and address ...

ironclaw · 31-03-2016 1:14pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if only there was some sort of card available to drivers that displayed their name and address ...

Driving license has a life of 10 years. Depending on your stage of life, you'll likely not live where your license says you do. Would most people update it when they move? Unlikely, there's a lot of benefit to not doing so. Its not valid for that reason.

ohnonotgmail · 31-03-2016 1:38pm

ironclaw wrote: »

Driving license has a life of 10 years. Depending on your stage of life, you'll likely not live where your license says you do. Would most people update it when they move? Unlikely, there's a lot of benefit to not doing so. Its not valid for that reason.

what benefit is there to not updating the address?

wally79 · 31-03-2016 1:46pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what benefit is there to not updating the address?

Don't you have to pay to do it.

Ive rented in various places over the last 10 years so rather than change it each time my licence still has parents address.

CiniO · 31-03-2016 2:15pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if only there was some sort of card available to drivers that displayed their name and address ...

Driving licence is not accepted anywhere in Ireland as a proof of address, purely due to fact that there's no legal requirement to have up to date address on it.

Utility bills are, but that's not great way of prooving the address either, as they can be very easily forged. In the end of the day it's just a piece of paper, which people print on their printers these days as not many people get them over the post anymore.

VeVeX · 31-03-2016 2:20pm

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/vrt-guide.html#section2e1

The VRT office were entirely correct in their application of the rules.

Verification of name and address - Utility Bill or Bank Statement
Verification of PPSN - P60

ohnonotgmail · 31-03-2016 2:47pm

CiniO wrote: »

Driving licence is not accepted anywhere in Ireland as a proof of address, purely due to fact that there's no legal requirement to have up to date address on it.

Utility bills are, but that's not great way of prooving the address either, as they can be very easily forged. In the end of the day it's just a piece of paper, which people print on their printers these days as not many people get them over the post anymore.

the gardai dont seem to have a problem accepting it as proof of address

ironclaw · 31-03-2016 3:56pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the gardai dont seem to have a problem accepting it as proof of address

Actually if they have reason to believe its not, they can detain you. Anyway, its unlikely someone is wandering around with a glove box full of bank statements :pac:

Guy:Incognito · 31-03-2016 4:04pm

A p60 is about as much use as a proof of id or address as an xtravision card. Anyone could fill in a blank one with whatever details they want

CiniO · 31-03-2016 5:23pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

A p60 is about as much use as a proof of id or address as an xtravision card. Anyone could fill in a blank one with whatever details they want

How much better is any utility bill?

Guy:Incognito · 31-03-2016 7:58pm

CiniO wrote: »

How much better is any utility bill?

It's proof of address, because it was sent from the utility company through the post and got to you. It's not something you printed off yourself.
That , accompanied by a proper government issued photo ID in the same name, is plenty.

Milton09 · 31-03-2016 8:54pm

VeVeX wrote: »

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/vrt-guide.html#section2e1

The VRT office were entirely correct in their application of the rules.

Verification of name and address - Utility Bill or Bank Statement
Verification of PPSN - P60

Not true, as was confirmed when we took a phone call today from NCTS on behalf of Revenue. (I emailed them with a complaint this morning)
The booking email we received read as follows :

Documentation verifying the new registered owner's name and address. The following documents will only be accepted: P60, Bank/Financial Institution Statement, Credit Card Statement, Payslip with address, Utility bill (Electricity, Gas, TV Service Provider eg SKY, UPC, Landline phone bill and Mobile Telephone (Bill pay only)). Please note original documentation will only be accepted and must be no older than 6 months

The Rep. agreed there was a lack of clarity in this matter and as mentioned by ironclaw only a P60 straight from revenue ("P60" in red text) is acceptable.

Upshot - apology received for confusion and 23.81 fee waived on next visit.

NewApproach · 31-03-2016 8:57pm

Surprised P60s are accepted as official. Anyone with access to Revenue's website can generate one in 5 minutes

markpb · 31-03-2016 9:07pm

NewApproach wrote:

Surprised P60s are accepted as official. Anyone with access to Revenue's website can generate one in 5 minutes

Same is true of any utility bill you print out yourself.

NewApproach · 31-03-2016 9:20pm

markpb wrote: »

Same is true of any utility bill you print out yourself.

You can just make up an official utility bill with any name or address?

markpb · 31-03-2016 9:34pm

NewApproach wrote:

You can just make up an official utility bill with any name or address?

Trivially. Download your bill as a PDF, use any photo editing package to change the address and print it out.

CiniO · 31-03-2016 10:09pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's proof of address, because it was sent from the utility company through the post and got to you. It's not something you printed off yourself.

That , accompanied by a proper government issued photo ID in the same name, is plenty.

I haven't received any utility bill in the post in years.
All come on my email, and when I need proof of address I just print them.

It wouldn't take me more than 5 minutes, to amend the address on such utility bill.

I know it would be forgery, but same as in your example of filling details on P60 blank yourself.

Both trivial to do.

VRT - P60 not accepted

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