Cow's Stomach out of place after giving birth, anyone experience this!!

Walla12

Hi,

Could anyone help me with this question

What to do if a cow’s stomach goes out of place after giving birth, not eating much. Is there anything that you can give the cow to help it go back naturally without surgery?

Thanks

Milked out

Walla12 wrote: »

Hi,

Could anyone help me with this question

What to do if a cow’s stomach goes out of place after giving birth, not eating much. Is there anything that you can give the cow to help it go back naturally without surgery?

Thanks

Vet job

thegreatgonzo

If it's a displaced abomasum you are talking out you need the vet

RightTurnClyde

If you're talking Displaced abomasum, vet job, operation, very successful, and ease off on the nuts in future.

Brown Podzol

Walla12 wrote: »

Hi,

Could anyone help me with this question

What to do if a cow’s stomach goes out of place after giving birth, not eating much. Is there anything that you can give the cow to help it go back naturally without surgery?

Thanks

Coffee, a jar of it and take her for a spin in the cattle box. Rarely works but might be worth a try. Three of them here this year, didn't even bother with the coffee. Supposed to work better with a RDA than LDA.

whelan2

Had an lda here last week, if your cow has an lda time is of the essence, rda they can toddle on for a few days. As others said get vet

Walla12

The vet was brought, he said he would need another vet to help cost alot, he was on about giving coffee and water to her to build up saliva where the stomach might go into place without operation. Anyone have this happen an animal of theres before.

Walla12

What is RDA and LDA

Kovu

Walla12 wrote: »

What is RDA and LDA

Right displaced abomasum and left displaced abomasum.

whelan2

Walla12 wrote: »

What is RDA and LDA

its if its on the left hand side or the right hand side

whelan2

Walla12 wrote: »

The vet was brought, he said he would need another vet to help cost alot, he was on about giving coffee and water to her to build up saliva where the stomach might go into place without operation. Anyone have this happen an animal of theres before.

If its the lhs it is tricky enough, vet here got another vet to help her last week as she hadnt done many lda's before. Didnt take long. they just sedated the cow, opened her up , deflated the stomach and untwisted the twist. Then stitched her back up

Walla12

Hi Whelan2 what is LHS?

Walla12

Ah sorry just seen you reply to LHS, i must ask my brother, is there anything you can do to help without operation? Is it expensive for operation

Walla12

Whelan2

I will find out about the cow which side, she isnt eating well and gone back in her milk, the calf is still with her?

whelan2

Walla12 wrote: »

Ah sorry just seen you reply to LHS, i must ask my brother, is there anything you can do to help without operation? Is it expensive for operation

I dont know the cost but my cow would have died fairly quickly if she hadnt been operated on, her eyes where sunk etc

Walla12

Ok just asked my brother, the cow is eating a bit, the vet recommended giving Coffee with low sodium salt to her, but they are only giving once a day, any tips if he should give more than once a day or any other recommendations what to do to help. It is the right hand side that the stomach is out of place.

keep going

Walla12 wrote: »

Ok just asked my brother, the cow is eating a bit, the vet recommended giving Coffee with low sodium salt to her, but they are only giving once a day, any tips if he should give more than once a day or any other recommendations what to do to he

youre not from west cork so, the home of displaced abdomen. Rolling her could help but good luck with that.h ow much does the vet want for doing it, our vets can wallop through them, usually line them up for the evening in the surgery and get them done in no time.

greysides

In relation to left and right, it is the cow's left and right that is being talked about. A left displacement is, generally, less severe, the cow in most cases wastes away. A few will survive despite it. A treatment that may work is to roll the cow. It works in about 25-33% of cases. In the others the cows improves for a few days and can then be noticed relapsing.
A right displacement is more severe on the cow and more likely to turn into a torsion. Time is more of the essence. Apart from surgery, fasting with a gastric motility stimulant followed by a straw only diet for a while, may work. Some will spontaneously correct. Rolling is not considered a good option, it can send the cow into shock (it may be a complete last resort for you). Other options, are to factory the animal or refer on elsewhere for surgery (can be complicated, much more so than an LDA) such as the Vet College if you're near Dublin.

Walla12

Hi Greysides,

Thanks for the information, can i ask are you farming or a vet, with so much details, has this happened to you with a dairy cow:-)

Milked out

Anytime we have had an lda the vet does it out here no need to go in. They'd be common enough. Rda they may want brought in alright

ganmo

From my chats with dairy farmers ldas are so common that they are so common they often try and get 4/5 litres of water into the cow asap after calving to try and get something into the stomach to replace the volume of the calf
With incidence rates of close to 10% in high yielding Holsteins

whelan2

How would you know if you were rolling the cow the right or wrong way?

trixi2011

We would have 7/8 lda here each spring all would get operated on by the vets . Vet does it in the crush standing up takes them about 15/20 mins Only ever one vet doing the operation. All cows have recovered within a few days of operation and got back in calf

orm0nd

whelan2 wrote: »

How would you know if you were rolling the cow the right or wrong way?

need an experienced vet to check that the stomach is actually gone back into place & then tube fluids into her asap

had a big cow who I was sure had da last year, a greenhorn of a know all vet arrived & said stomach was fine, I disagreed she then stuck a magnet in her & said she must have foreign body in the gut,
cow's condition went downhill, cow went down & I got the usual guy
big pain relief to get her standing and emergency op. was nearly 2 hours trying to sort her & thought the stitches would'nt hold
vet said afterwards she was the second worst case he had seen to survive in that condition

Pacoa

How would you know if you were rolling the cow the right or wrong way?

This shows the way to roll a cow. You get them on their right hand side and roll em over to their left side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8bRkRGZ0ig

pedigree 6

keep going wrote: »

youre not from west cork so, the home of displaced abdomen. Rolling her could help but good luck with that.h ow much does the vet want for doing it, our vets can wallop through them, usually line them up for the evening in the surgery and get them done in no time.

We had a cow with a rda last year and the vet operated on her in the crush.
The crush has access from both sides. It was a success and the cow went in calf and is milking again this year. Funnily enough the vet was from cork.

Walla12

Thanks everyone, for that, my brother heard if you give half litre of milk and 2 egg and shells with it 3 times a day this might help. What would this do for the cow. Would going in a trailer for a drive work. Should you feed her straw?
Any details would be helpful. The cow still has the calf with her is that a good idea? Is operation expensive if done???

RightTurnClyde

Walla12 wrote: »

Thanks everyone, for that, my brother heard if you give half litre of milk and 2 egg and shells with it 3 times a day this might help. What would this do for the cow. Would going in a trailer for a drive work. Should you feed her straw?
Any details would be helpful. The cow still has the calf with her is that a good idea? Is operation expensive if done???

Honestly Walla, you need to get a vet out and get him to look at her and get her sorted. Forget the old wives tales.

Milked out

Walla12 wrote: »

Thanks everyone, for that, my brother heard if you give half litre of milk and 2 egg and shells with it 3 times a day this might help. What would this do for the cow. Would going in a trailer for a drive work. Should you feed her straw?
Any details would be helpful. The cow still has the calf with her is that a good idea? Is operation expensive if done???

Tbh the only sure way to treat is the operation. Ring the vet and ask about it re cost and what's needed. Im surprised he hasnt told you all this. If its a rightside the facory may be the best option as sucess rate isnt as good and longer she has it the weaker she'll be if its a leftside operation is best option. If you don't do it she will either waste away and dry up or more likely die if it is a displacement without treatment

whelan2

Milked out wrote: »

Tbh the only sure way to treat is the operation. Ring the vet and ask about it re cost and what's needed. Im surprised he hasnt told you all this. If its a rightside the facory may be the best option as sucess rate isnt as good and longer she has it the weaker she'll be if its a leftside operation is best option. If you don't do it she will either waste away and dry up or more likely die if it is a displacement without treatment

do vets call the cows sides different in different parts of the country, vets told me last week lda ia alot worse than rda. Only 50% success rate with lda?????????????

Kovu

whelan2 wrote: »

do vets call the cows sides different in different parts of the country, vets told me last week lda ia alot worse than rda. Only 50% success rate with lda?????????????

Depends on which end of the cow your vet is standing while looking at her maybe

RightTurnClyde

whelan2 wrote: »

do vets call the cows sides different in different parts of the country, vets told me last week lda ia alot worse than rda. Only 50% success rate with lda?????????????

Na, lda very successful. Just to complicate things further the LDA operation is done on the right hand side.

whelan2

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Na, lda very successful. Just to complicate things further the LDA operation is done on the right hand side.

Now I am even more confused.

trixi2011

Vets here ussualy wont bother operating on a rda if cow is anyway sick

greysides

trixi2011 wrote: »

Vets here ussualy wont bother operating on a rda if cow is anyway sick

RDA's are prone to turning into RTA's if not sorted. The T is for Torsion, so basically a 'twisted gut' scenario. In that case, the cow is in shock and may not withstand the surgery. Even if operated on it complicates the surgery and aftercare a lot. Hence why speed is necessary.

whelan2

greysides wrote: »

RDA's are prone to turning into RTA's if not sorted. The T is for Torsion, so basically a 'twisted gut' scenario. In that case, the cow is in shock and may not withstand the surgery. Even if operated on it complicates the surgery and aftercare a lot. Hence why speed is necessary.

That must be what my cow had, but they deffo said it was lda. Her eyes were sunk etc

greysides

The eyes can be sunken with an LDA too. Cows respond differently to the problem. Some can go back in calf with one still displaced having milked while it was. Others show signs of distress very early on. RDA's are like an unexploded bomb. Sooner or later they will torsion and when they go downhill, they go down fast. Very little come back then as their condition will even rule out going to the factory.

Walla12

Hi Everyone,

Good news the cows stomach has gone back into place without an operation, the vet had suggested coffee and low sodium salt once a day so that was done, she drank loads of water after it, and left her out for a walk, the vet same back yest and it gone back into place and she is eating and happy out.

Thanks for all your information was very helpful.