yale alarm

maestroamado

i am looking at buying one of these on amazon, there is also honeywell brand which is cheaper.
Can anyone advise on this?
I do not need to be advised on high-tech monitored alarms as not necessary in this instance...

many thanks

fred funk }{

You will only get one answer from installers that are in here which is to stay well away from Yale.

maestroamado

i wonder should i buy the other one then and its cheaper....
i must say i am out of my league here, the reason i not get professional is the local one insists on monitoring and i really just need something to flash and make noise...

regards

fred funk }{

maestroamado wrote: »

i wonder should i buy the other one then and its cheaper....
i must say i am out of my league here, the reason i not get professional is the local one insists on monitoring and i really just need something to flash and make noise...

regards

There are loads of alarm companies out there and most will not insist on monitoring. I would highly recommend that you employ a professional to do this as an incorrectly installed system will break your heart. Also, make sure if you employ someone that they have a PSA licence as it's a legal equipment. You don't need one if you're going to self install.

Wadpie

Had a yale wireless alarm when i bought my house. Wanted an alarm but didn't have the money at the time for proper one. Just got rid of it and got a professionally installed alarm few weeks ago. They're a mickey mouse job. I'd save my money and invest in a proper one if I were you. Or I'll sell ya my one if ya want

maestroamado

I was just asking as to what to buy as my cousin will install as he works electrics...
seeing yale seems no good..
can anyone recommend anything better?

thanks

fred funk }{

maestroamado wrote: »

I was just asking as to what to buy as my cousin will install as he works electrics...
seeing yale seems no good..
can anyone recommend anything better?

thanks

I'd strongly recommend HKC as it ticks all the boxes. Be careful, even if it's your cousin installing it you and he will still be breaking the law, thread carefully.

maestroamado

thats does not seem right, its my property so i can don as i please... please tell me what law is that?

Wadpie

You have to have a registered alarm installer install your alarm. Total money making racket if ya ask me. Only saving grace is they will issue you with a cert which you can give your house insurance company. Which should give you a cheaper house insurance premium. Be warned though, if your broken into without your alarm being set. You'll get f##k all from them

Guy:Incognito

maestroamado wrote: »

thats does not seem right, its my property so i can don as i please... please tell me what law is that?

It may be you're property but you cant go messing with the gas either without being an RGI.

fred funk }{

maestroamado wrote: »

thats does not seem right, its my property so i can don as i please... please tell me what law is that?

Life isn't like that. You can't work on your electrics or gas although it's your house either. Rackets or not, these laws are there ultimately to protect you as an end user.

maestroamado

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Life isn't like that. You can't work on your electrics or gas although it's your house either. Rackets or not, these laws are there ultimately to protect you as an end user.

thats interesting as the people selling these alarms say because it its not mains wired a qualified electrician not needed, also i could not fined a government body that said its against the law though they do advise to get it professionally installed.

the same seems to apply with the gas, interesting i bought a gas hob a few years ago from a hardware store, i was not advised that i needed to have it professionally installed, i am wondering if this regulation is just for full heating systems?

thanks for all of your help.

KoolKid

The regulation with gas does not only affect full systems.
The regulations for electric is not just for full systems.
The regulations for alarms is not just for full systems.
The regulations are not about ripping you off they are there for the customers protection.
You have a strange logic as to how the law should apply just because you own something. There are so many examples I could post about that, but I am sure you get it really.

Stoner

Hi , this would be better on the home security forum.
You can work on your alarm in your house. Anywhere else you'd need a PSA licence.
Interestingly even an electrician can't work on their own house unless they are employed to do so by a registered electrical contractor, something similar for gas.

These laws exist. Someone selling something is not obliged to tell you that.

However in your case here you can install a Yale alarm in your own house. If your cousin pops over to help out of the goodness of his heart I can't see how that would impact on that.

All that said, the overwhelming advice on these self install alarms is that many are not great quality , if you are going to install an alarm in your own home why not use the equipment the professionals use.

maestroamado

KoolKid wrote: »

The regulation with gas does not only affect full systems.
The regulations for electric is not just for full systems.
The regulations for alarms is not just for full systems.
The regulations are not about ripping you off they are there for the customers protection.
You have a strange logic as to how the law should apply just because you own something. There are so many examples I could post about that, but I am sure you get it really.

"There are so many examples I could post about that, but I am sure you get it really"

you should post a couple of examples to keep us uninformed people informed...

maestroamado

Stoner wrote: »

Hi , this would be better on the home security forum.
You can work on your alarm in your house. Anywhere else you'd need a PSA licence.
Interestingly even an electrician can't work on their own house unless they are employed to do so by a registered electrical contractor, something similar for gas.

These laws exist. Someone selling something is not obliged to tell you that.

However in your case here you can install a Yale alarm in your own house. If your cousin pops over to help out of the goodness of his heart I can't see how that would impact on that.

All that said, the overwhelming advice on these self install alarms is that many are not great quality , if you are going to install an alarm in your own home why not use the equipment the professionals use.

thanks for comments as very helpful.

KoolKid

Ok. I own my own house but that doesn't entitle me to do the following.
I can't interfere with services running across it, through it or under it.
I can't open a shop in the garage or a garage from my front room.
I can't just build an extension or conversion without following the proper laws and regulations.
I can't erect what I like on my house without following the proper laws or regulations.
Let's say I own my own car...
I can't just drive it where I want to
I can't drive at any speeds I want
I can't drive without my seat belt
I can't drive without tax
I can't drive without insurance
I can't drive without a licence
I can't park it where I like.

All these are based on laws and regulations just the same as different sectors are regulated by laws and regulations we are all legally obliged to follow.

Stoner

Lads rather than turn this into an argument.

Can we just settle on this. You need to have a PSa licence to install alarms anywhere but your own home,

OP you fall under this.

We are not the police here but that is the law, yes people, companies and the government all make money from this, there are reasons why these laws were made.

Your post is about a yale alarm, you aim to install it yourself you can do that.
The advice is that maybe you should consider using the equipment the professionals use.

the yale alarms are very easy to install, but maybe you should think beyond that, its 100% up to you and you can do it.

maestroamado

KoolKid wrote: »

Ok. I own my own house but that doesn't entitle me to do the following.
I can't interfere with services running across it, through it or under it.
I can't open a shop in the garage or a garage from my front room.
I can't just build an extension or conversion without following the proper laws and regulations.
I can't erect what I like on my house without following the proper laws or regulations.
Let's say I own my own car...
I can't just drive it where I want to
I can't drive at any speeds I want
I can't drive without my seat belt
I can't drive without tax
I can't drive without insurance
I can't drive without a licence
I can't park it where I like.

All these are based on laws and regulations just the same as different sectors are regulated by laws and regulations we are all legally obliged to follow.

i was expecting to get a reply related to my original question...

KoolKid

Happy to settle on it.The OP was seemingly looking for more information.

fred funk }{

maestroamado wrote: »

thats interesting as the people selling these alarms say because it its not mains wired a qualified electrician not needed, also i could not fined a government body that said its against the law though they do advise to get it professionally installed.

the same seems to apply with the gas, interesting i bought a gas hob a few years ago from a hardware store, i was not advised that i needed to have it professionally installed, i am wondering if this regulation is just for full heating systems?

thanks for all of your help.

As an installer, when we do a job we're not allowed open the fuse board, we must get a registered electrical contracter to do so and provide proof by means of a minor works cert. Now, we can take a take a spur from a socket alright without the need of a REC.

Even wireless alarms need 240v mains supply back at the panel. Look up the P.S.A website, they're a government body reponsable for security industry.

muffler

maestroamado wrote: »

i was expecting to get a reply related to my original question...

I thought you got plenty of replies and all containing damned good advice but for whatever reason you are choosing to ignore it.

maestroamado

Just wonder why a moderator on this forum would suggest to a member they were ignoring advise given?

I have now more or less decided what to do and the content here has being very helpful, if i am not clear on something i ask another question.
Like i do with most advise i have to decide on the basis of my own knowledge and what i get others as to what to do..
I have to say some of the advise was rubbish and when i ask a question about an alarm and someone starts telling me the rules about taxing cars that person i need not listen to.
This person could not supply me with details of which government agency regulates alarms.
I might add since the original question was by me as to which was best? no-one as far as i can see addressed this question but chose to give me advise i not ask for.
I only use one other forum which i asked the same question on.

regards

muffler

Here's the nuts & bolts of your first post......

maestroamado wrote: »

i am looking at buying one of these on amazon, there is also honeywell brand which is cheaper.
Can anyone advise on this?

and you received the following advice and comments....

fred funk }{ wrote: »

You will only get one answer from installers that are in here which is to stay well away from Yale.

Wadpie wrote: »

Had a yale wireless alarm when i bought my house........They're a mickey mouse job. I'd save my money and invest in a proper one if I were you. Or I'll sell ya my one if ya want

Stoner wrote: »

the overwhelming advice on these self install alarms is that many are not great quality , if you are going to install an alarm in your own home why not use the equipment the professionals use.

Stoner wrote: »

Your post is about a yale alarm, you aim to install it yourself you can do that.
The advice is that maybe you should consider using the equipment the professionals use.

the yale alarms are very easy to install, but maybe you should think beyond that, its 100% up to you and you can do it.

Im at a loss as to how you could describe the above as being "rubbish" and stating that no one addressed your question.

muffler

maestroamado wrote: »

Just wonder why a moderator on this forum would suggest to a member they were ignoring advise given?

Just to be clear, I am a moderator of 2 other forums but I am not a moderator "on this forum". When I post here I am just an ordinary Joe Soap.

maestroamado wrote: »

I have now more or less decided what to do and the content here has being very helpful, if i am not clear on something i ask another question.

Im glad to hear that you have now made a decision and that you did indeed find the posts here to be helpful.

maestroamado wrote: »

Like i do with most advise i have to decide on the basis of my own knowledge and what i get others as to what to do..

Precisely! Only you can make the decision based on all the available info and advice. Thats the way I do things myself.

maestroamado wrote: »

I have to say some of the advise was rubbish and when i ask a question about an alarm and someone starts telling me the rules about taxing cars that person i need not listen to.
This person could not supply me with details of which government agency regulates alarms.

I think thats a bit harsh. The guys were going a step further in order to keep you right. they didnt have to post that info but they did and given the nature of your query you should really appreciate the effort made by others. It may not seem that way to you but have a read through the posts again and you will see that everyone was trying to be helpful.

maestroamado wrote: »

I might add since the original question was by me as to which was best? no-one as far as i can see addressed this question but chose to give me advise i not ask for.

I thought you were told several times to avoid the Yale system but as I stated earlier you are choosing to ignore that and are showing a complete lack of appreciation of all the other good advice given. People will point out other matters that are relevant to your query and thats the nature of discussion forums.

maestroamado wrote: »

I only use one other forum which i asked the same question on.

You shouldn't really be cross posting on the same topic.

maestroamado

KoolKid wrote: »

Ok. I own my own house but that doesn't entitle me to do the following.
I can't interfere with services running across it, through it or under it.
I can't open a shop in the garage or a garage from my front room.
I can't just build an extension or conversion without following the proper laws and regulations.
I can't erect what I like on my house without following the proper laws or regulations.
Let's say I own my own car...
I can't just drive it where I want to
I can't drive at any speeds I want
I can't drive without my seat belt
I can't drive without tax
I can't drive without insurance
I can't drive without a licence
I can't park it where I like.

All these are based on laws and regulations just the same as different sectors are regulated by laws and regulations we are all legally obliged to follow.

this is the rubbish by none other than "a moderator"

i did acknowledge that some of the advise was good.
i did not want a load of info as i already have a house alarm and this is for something else...

all is well..
regards and thanks to all...

maestroamado

because i like to be fair i have to say i found by accident a load of useful info by the said moderator from a previous thread...

Honeywell vs HKC
20-09-2012, 22:32
KoolKid
Moderator

KoolKid

maestroamado wrote: »

this is the rubbish by none other than "a moderator"

i did acknowledge that some of the advise was good.
i did not want a load of info as i already have a house alarm and this is for something else...

all is well..
regards and thanks to all...

This was explained to you by muffler. But you ignored that also. I am not a moderator here, therefore I am posting as a user just like you are.
You were under the impression that owning your house meant certain rules and laws could not be right. I tried to explain that to you. You then asked for examples, which I gave you, and then you come back slating me for it.
As you said, you have your mind made up. That's good. You didn't seem interested in anything anyone had to offer anyway.
You seem more interested in having a row with everyone.
I'll leave it at that....

maestroamado

if you not able to speak for ypur












the system says you a moderator so i suggest you get that updated if you are not..
the only thing i ignore is "ignorance"
i am still awaiting your direction in relation to where i can confirm this is a requirement for me to change something with my property my property.
by the way i did already know of all the things you mentioned in your post.

i am guessing muffler will be clever enough not to take sides so i await your reply with interest.


have a nice evening

KoolKid

Your attitude really leaves a lot to be desired.
You are around Boards since 2011 and you don't understand basic profile information ?
You read the word Moderator but you fail to read the rest underneath where it says what forums I moderate. This probably explains why you are missing most of the answers you are being given.
Everyone here has confirmed the requirements re licenced installers & regulations & standards.
Do you not believe any of them?
You have also been pointed in the Direction of the PSA ?
Have you looked up their site.

maestroamado

that's not what my question was about as i not ask about PSA as i know what i was asking and it is recorded here...
what you fail to understand is a forum is a discussion place... not a place where other members decide to tell the OP what their views are in regard to regulations & standards.
i do not care what you think as it seems to me you not do alot of this.
go back to my original question and either give me an answer to this or just go back to sleep..
this is good fun...

KoolKid

With regard to Yale alarms or other cheap DIY options , my view would be the same as all the others keep away from them & use something better.The regulations and the standards that have been explained to you are not peoples options they are facts.
I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say I not do a lot of this.But for the record I am a professional licenced installer with nearly 30 years experience in the industry.
From what I can see people are answering your questions.
If you have anything else to ask, feel free & I'll answer to the best of my ability.