Kilmessan GP v Davis Cup

Green&Red

Have a choice of which race to so Sunday, any ideas on which would be hillier?

yop

Green&Red wrote: »

Have a choice of which race to so Sunday, any ideas on which would be hillier?

Davis cup has 2 nice hills anyway, my fat ass won't be happy!!

Green&Red

Thats what I'm leaning towards

Inquitus

Kilmessan GP is flat as a pancake, about as flat as it gets.

Beasty

If you're offering me a doubles slot with Andy Murray I'll go with the Davis Cup....

markusz

the Davis Cup is a tough tough route where part of it was used on the Ballinrobe 2 day last year... i got dropped at the 50k mark before Ail Dubh. the rain was so bad my eye lids got sandpapered! :eek: if its windy itll blow the races right up.

Can't wait!

equivariant

Am hoping to do the Davis cup this weekend for the first time. Its local to me so I have cycled those roads quite a bit (not raced them yet) and it is definitely suited to the climbers (ie not me :eek:). I'm guessing this https://www.strava.com/segments/2030351 will sort out a lot of people.

The consolation for getting blown out the back would be some spectacular scenery to enjoy as I toddle home.

wav1

Inquitus wrote: »

Kilmessan GP is flat as a pancake, about as flat as it gets.

This circuit on Sunday is not the same as the one used later in the year.
This is a new event promoted by a new club.The circuit takes in the drag between Kilmessan and Dunsany if anybody knows that road,turns left at Dunsany and out to the R147 old Dublin Rd.Left to cross M3 and continue to Tara na Ri pub,left to Bective and left again to Kilmessan.Think its about a 20k loop.Finish is on top of the drag I mentioned earlier close to Kilsaran Quarry

manwithaplan

That's a tough finish. Plenty steep enough.

Borderfox

That's Tullykane hill that leads down to a descent and hard left up Dunsany hill onto Heartbreak hill up to the old N3. Very draggy and Tullykane will cause a big sort out

Inquitus

wav1 wrote: »

This circuit on Sunday is not the same as the one used later in the year.
This is a new event promoted by a new club.The circuit takes in the drag between Kilmessan and Dunsany if anybody knows that road,turns left at Dunsany and out to the R147 old Dublin Rd.Left to cross M3 and continue to Tara na Ri pub,left to Bective and left again to Kilmessan.Think its about a 20k loop.Finish is on top of the drag I mentioned earlier close to Kilsaran Quarry

Apologies, I thought it was the same as the flat Kilmessan circuit, I stand corrected

keoclassic

The Davis cup is the same circuit as used in the A3/junior champs last year.Its tough and will find out any rider who is not race fit. I only hope that they have it better marshaled than last years champs, where 3 of us off the front were turned to clonbur instead of back into cong for the second lap. It will be tough racing on a great course. Plenty of Hills with 1 Hard climb up ail dubh that has a false flat at the top.

harringtonp

It wasn't specifically mentioned on Davis cup flyer but I presume A3 is 2 laps. I.E. 110 k?

keoclassic

Yes 110 AFAIK.

Raymzor

Skane Wheelers Facebook page has details of race in Kilmessan. It's a testing circuit. Finish is up a 1.4km drag. I think the strava segment is Swainstown.

wav1

Inquitus wrote: »

Apologies, I thought it was the same as the flat Kilmessan circuit, I stand corrected

I wasn't
quite correct earlier.When it turns off the R147 at Tara na Ri pub it doesn't go the whole way to Bective.It takes the next left up by Royal Tara golf club,which is the same road [in the opposite direction] that the other race later in the year uses to leave the village,if you catch my drift.Circuit length 19k.A4 and youths 10am.A1,A2,and A3 races at 12 noon

SuperSean

wav1 wrote: »

I wasn't
quite correct earlier.When it turns off the R147 at Tara na Ri pub it doesn't go the whole way to Bective.It takes the next left up by Royal Tara golf club,which is the same road [in the opposite direction] that the other race later in the year uses to leave the village,if you catch my drift.Circuit length 19k.A4 and youths 10am.A1,A2,and A3 races at 12 noon

They shared this route on FB https://www.strava.com/routes/4284808

Looks plenty tough alright!

Also I wonder if its right that winner of the A4s will have to wait around till 5pm for prize giving.

wirelessdude01

Doubt they would have to. Would make zero sense.

Smalltom

Is it a similar route to Dunsany GP a few weeks ago by any chance?

wav1

Smalltom wrote: »

Is it a similar route to Dunsany GP a few weeks ago by any chance?

100% different

rayquinn1

Hi guys, we will be holding the prize-giving for the underage AND A4/ladies races at the finish line as soon as the A1,A2, and A3 races get underway.
Keep an eye on Skane Wheelers FB page for any updates in the coming days.
www.facebook.com/Kilmessancyclingclub/

yop

Trying to figure out that Davis cup route, anyone got it on Strava.

equivariant

yop wrote: »

Trying to figure out that Davis cup route, anyone got it on Strava.

Have a look at

https://www.strava.com/segments/10250919

Not sure about the start/finish but apart from that its the same.

Slogger24

yop wrote: »

Trying to figure out that Davis cup route, anyone got it on Strava.

Just know Ali Dubh is fecking steep. .was up this eve 😷

yop

Slogger24 wrote: »

Just know Ali Dubh is fecking steep. .was up this eve 😷

In the van doesn't count!

Slogger24

yop wrote: »

In the van doesn't count!

It wasn't 😣

thekooman

if there aren't numbers for the A3/Jnr race in Cong then it will be a1/a2/a3/jnr with a handicap more than likely... so come on A3/Jnr's, turn up and we'll have a right good day of it!

yop

Slogger24 wrote: »

It wasn't 😣

ooohh... sneaky recon going on

Raymzor

Well done to Skane Wheelers on Kilmessan A4 race today. Very well marshaled event on a great circuit.

yop

Well done to the boy Slogger24 on this thread for his win today in the A4

Farloo

Many A4's in Kilmessan?!

MarkG1975

Nice job by Skane wheelers today, Kilmessan gp very well run on good roads and a testing circuit

wav1

Farloo wrote: »

Many A4's in Kilmessan?!

Approx 70

Only 22 x A1s so they combined the A1/A2 race..Worrying as the A2 races were working and the grading system also

killalanerr

wav1 wrote: »

Approx 70

Only 22 x A1s so they combined the A1/A2 race..Worrying as the A2 races were working and the grading system also

So did any a2s score points ?

wirelessdude01

National League race in Cong would have taken a good few A1 racers as would the race in Dungarvan.

Mr. Grieves

killalanerr wrote: »

So did any a2s score points ?

Guy who came third is an A2. Super result.

ragazzo

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

National League race in Cong would have taken a good few A1 racers as would the race in Dungarvan.

There was a race in each province today so the A1 riders would have been well dispersed.
Of the current 205 A1 riders, there are about 60 registered in Leinster. 22 turning up to ride a race is not too bad based on those numbers but underlines the overall problem of the A1 category and its ability to sustain standalone races. The problem regarding this issue has never been with the A2 category.

9th and 10th in Kilmessan were also A2 riders as far as I know and would have earned some points.

thekooman

at least there was a seperate A3 race in Kilmessan... A3 had a 2min handicap on the a1/2 in Cong which was a disaster as the a3s were caught before the climb after 20k.
race was split in the end with 17 a1/2's in the front group finishing 8mins ahead of the chasers. no a3's in the front 17.
great weather for it.

buffalo

Kilmessan finish - 1st, battle for 2nd, and bunch sprint:

smurphy29

Excellent race in Kilmessan. Great circuit, had a bit of everything. Steep punchy climbs, longer drags, fast descents, lineouts on the main road, roundabouts. One of the best circuits I've raced on this year. Made for attacking, aggressive riding from the off in the A3 race. I've a feeling it was Skane Wheelers' first time promoting an open race, so chapeau.

Break of eight eventually settled it. The moment the cars came through proved decisive as the bunch sat up almost immediately. Always has a psychological effect. Took fifth in the slow motion sprint from the bunch so that was that. The bunch was small on the run-in, think a good few riders were shelled out. Tough race.

Jack Joll

Davis Cup was a disaster! Advertised as a seperate A3/Jnr Race then to be thrown to the wolves with a meisly 2min handicap. There was a bit of work in the A3 group but after 10km nobody wanted to pull on the front and snaking started. A1-A2's caught us about 4km from Ail Dubh then whole lot split to pieces.
Very disappointed with decision to race one race, I know on that course I would've wasted my €15 in Kilmessan rather than have travelled to Cong if I had know at 8:00am that morning.

thekooman

Jack Joll wrote: »

Davis Cup was a disaster! Advertised as a seperate A3/Jnr Race then to be thrown to the wolves with a meisly 2min handicap. There was a bit of work in the A3 group but after 10km nobody wanted to pull on the front and snaking started. A1-A2's caught us about 4km from Ail Dubh then whole lot split to pieces.
Very disappointed with decision to race one race, I know on that course I would've wasted my €15 in Kilmessan rather than have travelled to Cong if I had know at 8:00am that morning.

its pissing off especially since i work and train about 7-8hours a week and then there are teams like iTap, who are full time professionals, racing in the same race as you! will need to be cuter anymore in race selection.

Jack Joll

Kooman,

What can ya do if its advertised as A3/Jnr and then changed on the day! There was never an indication that this may happen, race last year was seperate. And was a great race! Plus handicaps are they not supposed to be devised for lesser abilities to possibly have a chance at the finish, not get creamed only 20km in! In Loughrea 2 weeks previous there was a 6mins handicap, only got caught 50-60km into race.

Inquitus

Jack Joll wrote: »

Plus handicaps are they not supposed to be devised for lesser abilities to possibly have a chance at the finish, not get creamed only 20km in!

Promoters generally want the big boys to win the race, I have raced a fair few handicaps in my time as an A4 and latterly an A3 and never have I been given anything approaching a workable handicap that might leave the result any way in doubt.

thekooman

Inquitus wrote: »

Promoters generally want the big boys to win the race, I have raced a far few handicaps in my time as an A4 and latterly an A3 and never have I been given anything approaching a workable handicap that might leave the result any way in doubt.

exactly. i seen a promoter literally bricking it at the finish line of a race one time that the a3/4s were going to wait away as they were given an 8min handicap. its geared towards the big boys to generate sticky bottle news!! :rolleyes:

ragazzo

thekooman wrote: »

if there aren't numbers for the A3/Jnr race in Cong then it will be a1/a2/a3/jnr with a handicap more than likely... so come on A3/Jnr's, turn up and we'll have a right good day of it!

How many A3 riders turned up?

Did it justify the promoting clubs plan for a separate A3 race of 110k?

Unfortunate if an adequate number of riders did not support the event. This is not good for race promoters and their hard work/efforts in running races nor is it satisfactory for the A3 riders who showed up for a separate A3 race.

How big are the various category bunches in Connacht generally?

silver campaign

thekooman wrote: »

at least there was a seperate A3 race in Kilmessan... A3 had a 2min handicap on the a1/2 in Cong which was a disaster as the a3s were caught before the climb after 20k.
race was split in the end with 17 a1/2's in the front group finishing 8mins ahead of the chasers. no a3's in the front 17.
great weather for it.

There was 1 A3 from Longford who stuck with them all the way around and finished in the front 17.