saler bull??

lab man

I'm thinking of changing my bull from a sim to a saler , i honestly don't know any breeding or names would any of ye boardsies have experience of a good easy calving nicely muscled breed ... my cows are all mainly sim X and chx and aax cows a few nice shorthorns too
any help would be great.. lab man

Future Farmer

lab man wrote: »

I'm thinking of changing my bull from a sim to a saler , i honestly don't know any breeding or names would any of ye boardsies have experience of a good easy calving nicely muscled breed ... my cows are all mainly sim X and chx and aax cows a few nice shorthorns too
any help would be great.. lab man

Are you in BDGP Scheme?

welton john

lab man wrote: »

I'm thinking of changing my bull from a sim to a saler , i honestly don't know any breeding or names would any of ye boardsies have experience of a good easy calving nicely muscled breed ... my cows are all mainly sim X and chx and aax cows a few nice shorthorns too
any help would be great.. lab man

http://www.irishsalers.com/html/useful_links.html
try contacting them , they should be able to put you in touch with a few local breeders. Haven't had a saler stock bull but happy with results from from ai so far.

GiantPencil

lab man wrote: »

I'm thinking of changing my bull from a sim to a saler , i honestly don't know any breeding or names would any of ye boardsies have experience of a good easy calving nicely muscled breed ... my cows are all mainly sim X and chx and aax cows a few nice shorthorns too
any help would be great.. lab man

I know they've a show and sale coming up in a week or two in Tullamore....try the likes of Facebook too for some herds....i follow Glenmore Salers on it, they're pretty good a posting updates and weights of animals too

lab man

@ future farmer. Yes in the scheme all 4 /5 star cows heifers

Future Farmer

Criteria for scheme (which most Salers easily meet)

General use: 4 & 5 Star within or across breed terminal or replacement

Replacement: €74 or higher on Replacement Index preferably over €100

They get a bit of a blasting of docility (especially the cows around calving), think a SAxCH is one of the best type of cows around.

Are all the cows mainly beef crosses or are some off dairy cows?

lab man

Very few are off dairy but before my sim bull I had a ch 52 bull no milk so I'm trying to get milk back with good shape loose cows

Parishlad

I have a couple of CHx heifers and was thinking of giving the Saler bull Rio to them. No experience with Salers and from anything I've read here the only concern I have would be around docility. Really couldn't be putting up with a mad b***h of a cow especially as I'm pretty much on my own with them most of the time.
Aside from docility issue however Salers seems to tick a lot of boxes in terms of breeding replacements.

lab man

I had the hoof man here y day he said some are fine but some absolutely crazy but as ppl say tis how u mind them an leaving them alone is a big thing I think

Miname

like all the good replacements what do you do with the bulls? i wouldnt be a fan.

Sunderz95

Used salers here for last few years. Great cows. Youngstock can be nervous but plenty of handling and they're fine.

Grueller

Sunderz95 wrote: »

Used salers here for last few years. Great cows. Youngstock can be nervous but plenty of handling and they're fine.

Pedigree or do ye cross them and to what do ye cross them?

lab man

Future farmer last yr heifers are 5 star an index of 110 up to 124

Sunderz95

Grueller wrote:

Pedigree or do ye cross them and to what do ye cross them?

Only have 2 pedigree cows...nice animals. Cross the salers on charolais and simmental cows and vice versa

49801

Had a Saler stock bull b4. Good to calf easy. Did not see the docility issue. Offspring were plain though for confirmation and harder sold.

If you want replacement females not a bad choice of breed with your existing genetic profile.

Hard to beat lm if you want to send stock to the factory or sell dry stock. Just make sure you do look for very docile fella as they are cracked. I'd bought a lm bull and he was a pet of a lad so they are out there.

GiantPencil

had a pure bred saler bull a few months ago that I had to send to the factory...graded out at U+2 with a 435kg carcass at 22 months so there is muscle out there in Saler bulls!

sucklerlover

I have a few saler cows here. Each one is dangerous around calving.have sim and Her cows and there all fine. Maybe I just got unlucky with my bull.

jimmy G M

Ran an 18 mth Saler Bull with some heifers last summer. Bought from a breeder. He was grand in the yard where we bought him but was nervous / wild when we let him out. When you'd go into the field he run as far away as possible/jump into neighbours field. A right pain then to get him back. No fence would keep him when he got the notion. We got rid after 2 months. Only one calf out of him yet, nice animal, a bull though, calved no bother can't really comment on any further yet.

patsy_mccabe

Ya those Salers are very Athletic. They're not like normal cattle. Kinda flighty is how I'd describe them. I'd hate to come face to face with an aggressive one. You wouldn't outrun one, that's for sure.

lab man

The cons are outweighing the pro's I need a docile fella as am working shift an don't want to be going round farms looking for cattle ....

croot

I was in a neighbours yard the other day and he said I have a cow I'm thinking of bringing to the Grand National. He brought a bucket of nuts up to the last pen of a 4 bay shed and a cow at the far end jumped 3 gates to get to the near pen and get the nuts. These gates would be 5 and a half foot high or so. I've seen flighty cattle that will jump to get away from you but I wouldn't feel safe with that lunatic in the yard.

Guess what breed she was?

thegreatgonzo

Parishlad wrote: »

I have a couple of CHx heifers and was thinking of giving the Saler bull Rio to them. No experience with Salers and from anything I've read here the only concern I have would be around docility. Really couldn't be putting up with a mad b***h of a cow especially as I'm pretty much on my own with them most of the time.
Aside from docility issue however Salers seems to tick a lot of boxes in terms of breeding replacements.

We have a heifer due to calve here to a Rio. Will tell you how we get on :-)

GiantPencil

Wouldn't surprise me if their society makes a big push towards improving docility in a similar fashion as the Limousin society did

patsy_mccabe

I think suckler farmers could learn a lot from the type of cows Salers are. The breed scores very high on replacement index. Big hips, plenty of milk, fertile and not bad on beefing qualities. The same could apply to any breed.

bogman_bass

GiantPencil wrote: »

Wouldn't surprise me if their society makes a big push towards improving docility in a similar fashion as the Limousin society did

If they're smart they will but breed societies have a tendency to bury their head in the sand and think their breed is perfect. Limo soc were in denial for a long time about docility. Hopfully the Saler Society will *ahem* grab the bull by the horns

tanko

A neighbour of mine has about 25 Saler cows and heifers, their docility seems pretty good to me. He bought them as heifers in local marts. They cross really well with his charolais bull giving good quality yellow calves with great hair and sell well as weanlings.
They have very good calving ability, plenty of milk and work well on margainal land.
I have four RIO calves off OZS heifers in the last few weeks, the only problem with them is that three of them are Bulls.

GiantPencil

tanko wrote: »

A neighbour of mine has about 25 Saler cows and heifers, their docility seems pretty good to me. He bought them as heifers in local marts. They cross really well with his charolais bull giving good quality yellow calves with great hair and sell well as weanlings.
They have very good calving ability, plenty of milk and work well on margainal land.
I have four RIO calves off OZS heifers in the last few weeks, the only problem with them is that three of them are Bulls.

Hope you've got some more straws in the tank seeing as the only way you'll get RIO from now on is by having friends with connections!

tanko

GiantPencil wrote: »

Hope you've got some more straws in the tank seeing as the only way you'll get RIO from now on is by having friends with connections!

Nope, don't have any more of them. I'll just have to try a different one on the heifers this year.