New 2016 plug in Prius revealed

Bigus

the new car can reach 84mph in battery-only mode or travel up to 31 miles without help from the petrol engine.

The car, which reaches British showrooms at the end of the year, returns 202mpg combined and emits just 32g/km of CO2 - the best figures yet achieved by any plug-in hybrid.

8.8kWh lithium ion battery that, despite its extra capacity, takes just two hours and 20 minutes to charge.



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-new-york-motor-show/toyota-prius-prime-plug-hybrid-revealed-new-york-motor-show

So say 8 Kwh usable and that could be as low as 40 kms range in EV only.

And with only 40 Kms of battery power that wouldn't meet my 135 kms work commute, neither would the 24 Kwh Leaf but the 30 Kwh Leaf will. And I could charge my 24 Kwh Leaf for 10 mins in Naas before I got the work charge point.

The 30 Kwh Leaf should be capable of 140 kms to empty on a 100% charge and a 30 min QC go another 120 kms or 260 kms total.

The Prius plug in will if it ever reaches Irish shores be a lot more expensive than the 30 Kwh top spec Leaf.

In just 2 years the 300 Km Leaf should be available and still probably cheaper than the PHEV Prius with 8.8 Kwh battery.

202 mpg ? highly doubtful considering the EV range is so small. You'd still have to use the engine a fair bit.

I'd opt for the much better new model Opel Ampera if I had to choose a PHEV.

Toyota have really lost their way.

grogi

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202 mpg ? highly doubtful considering the EV range is so small. You'd still have to use the engine a fair bit.

I'd opt for the much better new model Opel Ampera if I had to choose a PHEV.

Toyota have really lost their way.

Prius Plugins did never make sense...

The first one had abysmal EV range (AFAIR ~15km). The second one, while much better in the EV department, comes in much more competitive landscape and EV moved a lot over last few years (literally )

That 202mpg is the typical usage. I bet the Joe Average commutes <20km to work - so he can make all of that on EV. But why pay for the ICE when an ordinary EV will suffice as well?

Bigus

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202 mpg ? highly doubtful considering the EV range is so small. You'd still have to use the engine a fair bit.

I'd opt for the much better new model Opel Ampera if I had to choose a PHEV.

Toyota have really lost their way.

Total sales of leaf 2015 was about 2 hundred thousand
Total sales of hybrids approaching 7 hundred thousand for 2015 , I think Toyota aren't doing too bad , and haven't lost their way but a re being prudent and profitable.

They are probably well poised for an all electric car when battery costs and profitability allow , instead of being loss making pioneer .

grogi

Bigus wrote: »

Total sales of leaf 2015 was about 2 hundred thousand
Total sales of hybrids approaching 7 hundred thousand for 2015 , I think Toyota aren't doing too bad , and haven't lost their way but a re being prudent and profitable.

They are probably well poised for an all electric car when battery costs and profitability allow , instead of being loss making pioneer .

Hybrid != Plugin Hybrid...

Ordinary hybrids are fine and Toyota/Lexus are in fairness the only once I would consider. It is just the Plug-in Prius that is a misunderstanding...

bk

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So say 8 Kwh usable and that could be as low as 40 kms range in EV only.

The average daily commute in Ireland is just 18km.

So most peoples daily commutes would easily fit in EV mode only.

BTW there is an argument that in the short to medium term, PHEV's are better for the environment then BEV's.

We are currently limited in battery capacity. A single Tesla S has 70 to 85Kwh batteries, but on average displaces just 18km worth of CO2/NOX per day.

On the other hand you could build about 9 to 10 Prius Primes for the same amount of battery and they would displace about 180km's woth of CO2/NOX per day.

In many ways you could well argue that a car like the Tesla S is a massive waste of battery that mostly sits their going unused on most days.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that in the long term, BEV's are the future of cars and that Tesla is a great "halo" car to demonstrate and help develop this technology. But I would also argue that HEV's and PHEV's are an incredibly important medium term step in improving the environment today and will play a very important part in reducing pollution until a lot more battery factories and capacity is built out.

grogi

bk wrote: »

The average daily commute in Ireland is just 18km.

So most peoples daily commutes would easily fit in EV mode only.

BTW there is an argument that in the short to medium term, PHEV's are better for the environment then BEV's.

We are currently limited in battery capacity. A single Tesla S has 70 to 85Kwh batteries, but on average displaces just 18km worth of CO2/NOX per day.

On the other hand you could build about 9 to 10 Prius Primes for the same amount of battery and they would displace about 180km's woth of CO2/NOX per day.

In many ways you could well argue that a car like the Tesla S is a massive waste of battery that mostly sits their going unused on most days.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that in the long term, BEV's are the future of cars and that Tesla is a great "halo" car to demonstrate and help develop this technology. But I would also argue that HEV's and PHEV's are an incredibly important medium term step in improving the environment today and will play a very important part in reducing pollution until a lot more battery factories and capacity is built out.

I completely understand you point of view. However they (the Governments) cannot expect the customers to freely unload money just to limit CO2. I am only guessing, but the previous Plug-In was so overpriced it did make very little sense.

If the PHEVs make such a huge environmental impact - which I agree - they should be more affordable to purchase. I don't know who is pushing the price up - but the extra 7kWh of battery capacity cannot be that expensive on top of regular Prius.

Calculating from the price of the 30kWh Leaf it should be less than €5000. €5000 of SEAI grant for PHEVs - and the PHEV costs the same as the HEV. Am I missing something really obvious here?

cros13

Bigus wrote: »

the new car can reach 84mph in battery-only mode or travel up to 31 miles without help from the petrol engine.

The car, which reaches British showrooms at the end of the year, returns 202mpg combined and emits just 32g/km of CO2 - the best figures yet achieved by any plug-in hybrid.

Typical Toyota bull****. EPA rates it at 22 miles (35km in real money) and 120 mpge, which is more within the realm of reality. Several plugins beat those figures.

It still has a weak motor, tiny battery and it's still overpriced. Toyota went just far enough to get government incentives.

Bigus wrote: »

8.8kWh lithium ion battery that, despite its extra capacity, takes just two hours and 20 minutes to charge.

It charges "quick" because it's tiny. And the motor is weak because the tiny battery can't supply enough power. For similar money to the top spec prius PHEV you'll be able to get an ampera-e in a few months with a battery with almost 10 times the usable capacity. And for similar money to the base prius PHEV you could get a top spec IONIQ PHEV.

I doubt we'll see the Amera E here until 2018. And that's provided Opel Ireland import it.

Rafal

bk wrote: »

BTW there is an argument that in the short to medium term, PHEV's are better for the environment then BEV's.

Could you explain, please, this argument and share some references to back it?