Anglo Irish Disgrace

kig

I am disgusted by our legal system, I see in this mornings paper that the two and only two who have ever been found guilty, are now free again. Meanwhile David Drumm, who fled the country before is not regarded as a flight risk, what BS! What are these judges thinking? I am sure that David Drumm decided to come back is because he was in prison in the USA (which I am sure is much worse than our prisons), and that he is quite confident that the judges in this country will probably only give him a slap on the wrists, if that, and he'll be able to go about his dicy business dealings again.
What about the thousands of people who have suffered over the last 8 years, where is the justice for them! This judicial system is sick, does justice still exist in this country?:mad:

Mr. Incognito

That's great.

I had cornflakes for breakfast.

Timberrrrrrrr

kig wrote: »

I am disgusted by our legal system, I see in this mornings paper that the two and only two who have ever been found guilty, are now free again. Meanwhile David Drumm, who fled the country before is not regarded as a flight risk, what BS! What are these judges thinking? I am sure that David Drumm decided to come back is because he was in prison in the USA (which I am sure is much worse than our prisons), and that he is quite confident that the judges in this country will probably only give him a slap on the wrists, if that, and he'll be able to go about his dicy business dealings again.
What about the thousands of people who have suffered over the last 8 years, where is the justice for them! This judicial system is sick, does justice still exist in this country?:mad:

Surrendered passport, sign on twice a day, several people put up large sums of cash as collateral to ensure he stays in the country.

Have seen people charged with murder get more lenient bail conditions.

whippet

Considering the trial can't go ahead for at least 18 months I don't think a remand in custody would have been fair. He isn't a danger to society and has fairly strict bail conditions.

However, won't stop the outrage from people who like to be outraged.

kig

kig wrote: »

I am disgusted by our legal system, I see in this mornings paper that the two and only two who have ever been found guilty, are now free again. Meanwhile David Drumm, who fled the country before is not regarded as a flight risk, what BS! What are these judges thinking? I am sure that David Drumm decided to come back is because he was in prison in the USA (which I am sure is much worse than our prisons), and that he is quite confident that the judges in this country will probably only give him a slap on the wrists, if that, and he'll be able to go about his dicy business dealings again.
What about the thousands of people who have suffered over the last 8 years, where is the justice for them! This judicial system is sick, does justice still exist in this country?:mad:

tayto lover

The Americans take their crime seriously, we don't.

Drumm was held in custody in the US even though his alleged crime was committed here.
Drumm was released on bail here even though he fled from here before.

I just wonder if I embezzled millions from my workplace and skipped, if i'd be let out on bail after being deported from the US. I doubt it somehow. I heard a young lad recently saying "rich people don't get jail".

theoneeyedman

whippet wrote: »

Considering the trial can't go ahead for at least 18 months I don't think a remand in custody would have been fair. He isn't a danger to society and has fairly strict bail conditions.

However, won't stop the outrage from people who like to be outraged.

He isn't a danger To society Eh?

The alleged shenanigans at Anglo caused a hell of a lot of damage to society IMHO.

Also, this chap has been claiming for ages that he is broke. How can he stump up 50k for Bail?

Superhorse

Drumm is back here because he knows our "justice" system is an easy touch. He still has connections inside the golden circle and they historically look after their own. Best little country in the world to do white collar crime.

whippet

theoneeyedman wrote: »

He isn't a danger To society Eh?

Tell me what danger he is to society now?

Fortunately our judicial system doesn't act with the irrational sense of outrage that parts of society think is justified.

Make no mistake I'd love nothing more than to see individuals being found guilty and punished for any culpability they may have for the last decade, however I'd prefer this justice to be administered and preformed with due process rather than a raging lynch mob

L1011

tayto lover wrote: »

Drumm was held in custody in the US even though his alleged crime was committed here.

People held for extradition proceedings are generally held on remand for obvious flight risk reasons.

Drumm did leave Ireland when it was clear it was going bad but he hadn't been charged or even questioned about anything yet at the time.

hydro1

I wonder about the timing of Drumm's return as it takes a little heat of Fianna Fail

Timberrrrrrrr

theoneeyedman wrote: »

He isn't a danger To society Eh?

The alleged shenanigans at Anglo caused a hell of a lot of damage to society IMHO.

Also, this chap has been claiming for ages that he is broke. How can he stump up 50k for Bail?

And that is the key point.

tayto lover

L1011 wrote: »

People held for extradition proceedings are generally held on remand for obvious flight risk reasons.

Drumm did leave Ireland when it was clear it was going bad but he hadn't been charged or even questioned about anything yet at the time.

He left here before to escape any punishment.
Nothing stopping him fleeing again. Very easy it seems to get another passport on the blackmarket. Criminals doing it all the time.

L1011

tayto lover wrote: »

He left here before to escape any punishment.
Nothing stopping him fleeing again. Very easy it seems to get another passport on the blackmarket. Criminals doing it all the time.

He hadn't been charged with anything. Cannot legally take that as a suggestion he'll scarper.

Travelling on a false passport would be sufficient reason for near anywhere he could go to to send him back - awaiting trial for banking offences probably isn't. He'd also have the wifes parents to contend with which is probably scarier than prison!

tayto lover

L1011 wrote: »

He hadn't been charged with anything. Cannot legally take that as a suggestion he'll scarper.

Travelling on a false passport would be sufficient reason for near anywhere he could go to to send him back - awaiting trial for banking offences probably isn't. He'd also have the wifes parents to contend with which is probably scarier than prison!

He scarpered before that could happen. Free to do so again now. Maybe somewhere that has no extradition treaty with Ireland.

L1011

tayto lover wrote: »

He scarpered before that could happen. Free to do so again now. Maybe somewhere that has no extradition treaty with Ireland.

Pretty much anywhere in the world will deport you for entering on a false passport.

I think you're a little bit paranoid or obsessed with this.

kig

This judicial system is a soft touch esspecially when you have committed a white collar crime, they should have left him rotting in a US jail.

Paz-CCFC

kig wrote: »

This judicial system is a soft touch esspecially when you have committed a white collar crime, they should have left him rotting in a US jail.

What legislative provision(s)/case law do you base your statements on?

MarkAnthony

Sorry, thought this was a thread about me, no matter - carry on.

tayto lover

L1011 wrote: »

Pretty much anywhere in the world will deport you for entering on a false passport.

I think you're a little bit paranoid or obsessed with this.

yeah you could be right. I keep thinking of "Garlic man".

NUTLEY BOY

Defendant "D" has been charged before the District Court.

Sub judice rule ??

Dyr

L1011 wrote: »

He hadn't been charged with anything. Cannot legally take that as a suggestion he'll scarper.

Travelling on a false passport would be sufficient reason for near anywhere he could go to to send him back - awaiting trial for banking offences probably isn't. He'd also have the wifes parents to contend with which is probably scarier than prison!

Won't need a passport to cross into norn iron

Wouldnt need one to cross into the UK either

L1011

Bambi wrote: »

Won't need a passport to cross into norn iron

Wouldnt need one to cross into the UK either

Neither of which are going to cause the slightest bit of trouble to throw him back.

schemingbohemia

tayto lover wrote: »

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yeah you could be right. I keep thinking of "Garlic man".

I really can't understand why Garlic man is held up as some sort of paragon of virtue - he got a heavy sentence but was a thief who stole from all of us through evading tax. The facts are that more should be sentenced like him, there are anomalies all over the country in regard to sentencing.

Hercule Poirot

In the eyes of the law Drumm is not a flight risk, at the time he left he had not been charged with any crime - the fact that he saw the sh1t was about to hit the fan and left is completely irrelevant

His alleged crime is financial fraud, as he is no longer working in the banking system he poses no threat to society - and it's not as if he has a history of violence or any nonsense like that

Do I like any of this? No

Does it change anything? No

FreudianSlippers

OP I suggest you attempt to post to a higher standard in Legal Discussion in the future. This isn't Liveline.