Dublin airport passport control on uk flights

Stephen15

Why is there passport control on flights from the uk in dublin airport when there is none on uk flights from ireland dosent make any sense to me since there's a free travel arangement in place. Ridiculously inconvenient.

gipi

I fly into Leeds several times a year, passport is checked every time.

Stheno

gipi wrote: »

I fly into Leeds several times a year, passport is checked every time.

Same here anytime I fly to London.

Stephen15

Stheno wrote: »

Same here anytime I fly to London.

No passport checks from ireland in gatwick

Stheno

Stephen15 wrote: »

No passport checks from ireland in gatwick

Don't think I've ever flown into gatwick tbh, have done in Heathrow (years ago), and London city

DubDani

Flew into East Midlands from Dublin a few weeks ago, and no checks at all. Just like a Bus Terminal.

Stheno

DubDani wrote: »

Flew into East Midlands from Dublin a few weeks ago, and no checks at all. Just like a Bus Terminal.

Does it vary by airport?

Edward Hopper

No passport checks flying into Birmingham, East Midlands or Luton (though Luton is over a year ago). No visible police or immigration at all.

magentis

No passport checks into liverpool either.

Stheno

My most recent one is London City and I recall it heaving with heavily armed police a couple of years ago. Perhaps it was something on at the time.

wintear

I think it is due to the way passengers are filtered in each airport. A lot if UK airports have separate Irish channels from the good old days. Where as Dublin filters all flights through the one area.

So the mix of UK and other international locations means all passports are checked.

SILVAMAN

All passport numbers forwarded to the UK authorities once the plane leaves Ireland for the UK.

Del2005

SILVAMAN wrote: »

All passport numbers forwarded to the UK authorities once the plane leaves Ireland for the UK.

Unless you travel without a passport.

circular flexing

SILVAMAN wrote: »

All passport numbers forwarded to the UK authorities once the plane leaves Ireland for the UK.

How does that work when you don't need a passport to travel to the UK?

Mycroft H

Manchester was the same, nothing there. Like walking out of a big shed.

Stheno

circular flexing wrote: »

How does that work when you don't need a passport to travel to the UK?

INterestingly the time I flew into London City it was with a drivers licence.

Risteard81

Even Irish domestic flights are bizarelly (and illegally) sent through Passport Control in Dublin Airport.

gipi

gipi wrote: »

I fly into Leeds several times a year, passport is checked every time.

I regularly fly to Leeds, my passport has never been checked!

TheHillOfDoom

I think it's more to do with airline policy.

afatbollix

For Gatwick Luton & Stansted when you arrive you go down the steps and onto a bus and are dropped off at the UK arrivals area. You then walk straight to baggage hall. But you can be stopped for passport control.

At T5 Heathrow you just walk down a corridor bypassing passport control and into the main baggage hall. I have not traveled through T2 yet.

I hate getting a bus to bypass passport control it drives me mad the waste of time.

Ive never gone through Irish passport control that has never taken too long. Why rebuild the place for a issue that is not a real issue what we should be worried about is we are getting prefabs again!!

Stephen15

afatbollix wrote: »

For Gatwick Luton & Stansted when you arrive you go down the steps and onto a bus and are dropped off at the UK arrivals area. You then walk straight to baggage hall. But you can be stopped for passport control.

At T5 Heathrow you just walk down a corridor bypassing passport control and into the main baggage hall. I have not traveled through T2 yet.

I hate getting a bus to bypass passport control it drives me mad the waste of time.

Ive never gone through Irish passport control that has never taken too long. Why rebuild the place for a issue that is not a real issue what we should be worried about is we are getting prefabs again!!

Dublin airport is a bit of joke layout anyway making you walk for about 10 minutes before you get near passport control it's a real pain in arse most other airports are passport control and out.

highlydebased

At T2 Heathrow its a straight line from airbridge to baggage hall but the last few times there have been a few border force waiting

Also Stansted the other week had quite a number of border force waiting for Irish flights

RiseToMe

I fly in and out of London City several times a month, passport checked only once.

Actually, it was an ID check at random, didn't have to be my passport, my licence was the first thing to hand.

Trampas

Stephen15 wrote: »

Dublin airport is a bit of joke layout anyway making you walk for about 10 minutes before you get near passport control it's a real pain in arse most other airports are passport control and out.

If you've to walk 10 minutes to get to passport control. 5 to get through and wait 5 minutes for bags you wouldn't complain. If you walked to baggage reclaim in 5 minutes and took 15 minutes for your bag you would complain.

There is method to their madness.

Yes if no bags this theory goes out the window but you can see why

L1011

SILVAMAN wrote: »

All passport numbers forwarded to the UK authorities once the plane leaves Ireland for the UK.

Would be rather hard when they don't collect them, or even require a passport. Ireland is exempted from that requirement

flazio

So what is the legal stance if you don't have your passport but do have another means of identification? Can you challenge refusal to enter the UK without your passport?

LXFlyer

There are already several threads on this.

From Citizen's Information:

The Common Travel Area means that there are no passport controls in operation for Irish and UK citizens travelling between the 2 countries. You do not need to have a passport in order to enter the other country.

However, all air and sea carriers require some form of identification and some regard a passport as the only valid identification. Immigration authorities may also require you to have valid official photo-identification which shows your nationality. As you are being asked to prove that you are an Irish or UK citizen who is entitled to avail of the Common Travel Area arrangements, it is advisable to travel with your passport.

The Common Travel Area also involves some co-operation on matters relating to immigration issues. A third country national, for example, may be refused permission to enter Ireland if it is their intention to travel onwards to the UK and they would not qualify for admission to the UK under the Aliens (Amendment) Order 1975. Irish immigration officers have the power to carry out checks on people arriving in the State from the UK and to refuse them entry to the State on the same grounds as apply to people arriving from outside the Common Travel Area. These checks are carried out selectively.

Now in practice that means that Irish or UK citizens can travel between Ireland and the UK without a passport (unless they fly by Ryanair) but with a form of photo ID. Everyone else does require a passport.

In terms of checks, CTA flights are segregated at UK airports to avoid the main immigration desks, and UK Border Force do engage in spot checks on arriving flights, asking for ID from passengers as they enter the terminal (these spot checks appear to be increasing in number in my experience).

In Ireland, INIS have decided that since the large wave of immigration in the 1990s that all arriving air passengers, regardless of source of travel, will be subject to a full identity check and as such must pass through the immigration booths.

Whether people agree with this or not (and some here vociferously do not agree with it), that's what happens in practice, with the rationale presumably being that people may be entitled to enter the UK but not have a visa for Ireland (there are only very limited common visas).

All other arriving passengers into Ireland and the UK (by road or sea) can be subject to spot checks.

SILVAMAN

L1011 wrote: »

Would be rather hard when they don't collect them, or even require a passport. Ireland is exempted from that requirement

Each time I fly my passport is requested at the departure point. . Once in the UK I go straight to the arrivals hall.
I fly from Shannon-maybe Dublin has different requirements?

cson

wintear wrote: »

I think it is due to the way passengers are filtered in each airport. A lot if UK airports have separate Irish channels from the good old days. Where as Dublin filters all flights through the one area.

So the mix of UK and other international locations means all passports are checked.

This.

London, Edinburgh and Manchester off the top of my head have dedicated arrivals halls for UK & Ireland originating flights hence no Border Controls. Dublin filters everyone through the same area.

L1011

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Each time I fly my passport is requested at the departure point. . Once in the UK I go straight to the arrivals hall.
I fly from Shannon-maybe Dublin has different requirements?

You're solely flyng Ryanair I imagine.

All other airlines do not require passports. None forward the numbers

LXFlyer

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Each time I fly my passport is requested at the departure point. . Once in the UK I go straight to the arrivals hall.
I fly from Shannon-maybe Dublin has different requirements?

Which airline are you using?


Ryanair require a passport from all passengers as internal airline policy.

SILVAMAN

Ryanair-Aer Lingus barely a presence there now.

Blackjack

Risteard81 wrote: »

Even Irish domestic flights are bizarelly (and illegally) sent through Passport Control in Dublin Airport.

how is it Illegal?

Tabnabs

Southampton is another place where passports are very seldom checked. You go through UK/Ireland doors from apron, IIRC

LXFlyer

Tabnabs wrote: »

Southampton is another place where passports are very seldom checked. You go through UK/Ireland doors from apron, IIRC

As I posted above UK Border Force do spot checks on Irish flight arrivals - that's how they have decided to police the CTA.


The Irish authorities decided to do blanket checks on everyone.

questionmark?

Bristol and Cardiff are another two to the ones already mentioned. Off the plane through the door and straight out. Always found Dublin not having a CTA area a bit strange. Often travel with just the licence to save carrying the passport unless it's ryanair.

LXFlyer

questionmark? wrote: »

Bristol and Cardiff are another two to the ones already mentioned. Off the plane through the door and straight out. Always found Dublin not having a CTA area a bit strange. Often travel with just the licence to save carrying the passport unless it's ryanair.

Again like any UK airport they are all subject to spot checks by UK Border Force.

Risteard81

Blackjack wrote: »

how is it Illegal?

Because it is unlawful to have passport control on a domestic flight. There is a free right to travel within the national territory.

Only foreign flights may have this.

All flights to Britain should have passport control and the Common Travel Area should be dismantled (and Schengen should not be entertained either).

LXFlyer

Risteard81 wrote: »

Because it is unlawful to have passport control on a domestic flight. There is a free right to travel within the national territory.

Only foreign flights may have this.

All flights to Britain should have passport control and the Common Travel Area should be dismantled (and Schengen should not be entertained either).

You don't have to show your passport though. Your boarding pass will suffice as it is a domestic flight.

I'm not sure how your suggestion of the CTA being dismantled would work, given the politics of our land border with Northern Ireland. Not even remotely workable in my view.

What justification do you have for it given the long history of Irish and British nationals working in one another's jurisdictions, and the mutual voting rights, entitlement to free health care, etc.

Riskymove

lxflyer wrote: »

You don't have to show your passport though. Your boarding pass will suffice as it is a domestic flight.

Exactly

while all arrivals must go via the check point, you do not need a passport to enter the Country if flying internally or from UK

Blackjack

Risteard81 wrote: »

Because it is unlawful to have passport control on a domestic flight. There is a free right to travel within the national territory.

Only foreign flights may have this.

All flights to Britain should have passport control and the Common Travel Area should be dismantled (and Schengen should not be entertained either).

This:

lxflyer wrote: »

You don't have to show your passport though. Your boarding pass will suffice as it is a domestic flight.

Sending them through passport control isn't illegal and any suggesting that it is is rather daft in my opinion. I get checked going through Gatwick for my boarding card - it's the very same thing if we are applying a Common Travel area.

Riskymove

Blackjack wrote: »

Sending them through passport control isn't illegal and any suggesting that it is is rather daft in my opinion.

I can only presume he thought that being sent through the check meant that you needed a passport and could be refused entry etc.

L1011

Risteard81 wrote: »

Because it is unlawful to have passport control on a domestic flight. There is a free right to travel within the national territory.

The question still stands - how?

Stating something to be unlawful doesn't make it so.

Irish Steve

OK, this thread is about passport controls at Dublin, NOT the status or otherwise of the 26 or the 32 counties. I've infracted one post, deleted a number more. MOVE ON PLEASE, or be banned for a week

LXFlyer

Mr.S wrote: »

If you just show your boarding pass (proving you where on a UK flight) at Dublin airport - what happens?

You can be asked to prove that you are an Irish/UK citizen or show your passport if not.

Marcusm

Stheno wrote: »

Don't think I've ever flown into gatwick tbh, have done in Heathrow (years ago), and London city

You should not encounter a passport check at Heathrow or City on an arrival from Ireland. Occasionally there will be a spot check but both airports are set up such that there is free access, ie no passport check.