Caught Speeding

brady23

Just driving home now, Waterford to Dublin and near Kilkenny, I was speeding in the fast lane, I thought I seen a person standing on the side of the road, turned out it was a Garda standing with the speed gun nowhere near his car.

Can I be done for more speeding even if I'm not pulled over and more importantly would that include penalty points?

Thanks

biko

If they get you with a handheld they must stop you too.

irish bloke

Normally the Garda pull you over once the see your speed with the gun.
You are "probably" alright...

xabi

But sure you were in the 'Fast Lane'

Tefral

brady23 wrote: »

Just driving home now, Waterford to Dublin and near Kilkenny, I was speeding in the fast lane, I thought I seen a person standing on the side of the road, turned out it was a Garda standing with the speed gun nowhere near his car.

Can I be done for more speeding even if I'm not pulled over and more importantly would that include penalty points?

Thanks

You're gonna be fine, they would have flagged you down.

Please do not call it the Fast Lane again. Its the overtaking lane. (only to be used by overtaking another vehicle)

Montgolfier

xabi wrote: »

But sure you were in the 'Fast Lane'

Yeah that annoys me too. It's not a fast lane it's an overtaking lane. Some people just stay in if they are a touch over the limit.
3 penalty points now no joke for speeding

68 lost souls

xabi wrote: »

But sure you were in the 'Fast Lane'

OP should be getting points just for that

Skatedude

Anyone who uses the phase "fast lane" should have to do the theory test again.

ei9go

Some speedo's are so far wrong that you may not have been speeding.

I had a Nissan that read around 133 kph at 120 kph on the gps so even if you are at an indicated 140, you may only be doing 125.

Everytime, I get a different car, I check the speedo with a GPS so i know where I am.

Dravokivich

ei9go wrote: »

Some speedo's are so far wrong that you may not have been speeding.

I had a Nissan that read around 133 kph at 120 kph on the gps so even if you are at an indicated 140, you may only be doing 125.

Everytime, I get a different car, I check the speedo with a GPS so i know where I am.

Get your wheels checked. it should not be out by that much and the variance is to allow for the wheels.

slimjimmc

Dravokivich wrote: »

Get your wheels checked. it should not be out by that much and the variance is to allow for the wheels.

It's still within the permitted overread tolerance which is 10% + 4km/h. At 120km/h the speedometer is allowed to read up 136 km/h
(120 * 1.10) + 4 = 136 km/h

Atomic Pineapple

Was the Garda standing with the speed gun on a tripod? I thought that if it was on a tripod they take a picture and they don't have to stop you?

MarkAnthony

brady23 wrote: »

Just driving home now, Waterford to Dublin and near Kilkenny, I was speeding in the fast lane, I thought I seen a person standing on the side of the road, turned out it was a Garda standing with the speed gun nowhere near his car.

Can I be done for more speeding even if I'm not pulled over and more importantly would that include penalty points?

Thanks

Did you write this while driving in the 'fast lane'? :pac:

endacl

ei9go wrote: »

Everytime, I get a different car, I check the speedo with a GPS so i know where I am.

Sure, where else would you be?

bear1

brady23 wrote: »

Just driving home now, Waterford to Dublin and near Kilkenny, I was speeding in the fast lane, I thought I seen a person standing on the side of the road, turned out it was a Garda standing with the speed gun nowhere near his car.

Can I be done for more speeding even if I'm not pulled over and more importantly would that include penalty points?

Thanks

You speed you get points and expect a fine.
Btw you aren't saying what your speed was, how high was it?

brady23

bear1 wrote: »

You speed you get points and expect a fine.
Btw you aren't saying what your speed was, how high was it?

I don't see what difference it really makes tbh but I was over the speed limit.
My question really was related to whether you can receive a fine if the Garda doesn't pull you over?
I was under the impression you needed to be pulled over.

andekwarhola

brady23 wrote: »

I don't see what difference it really makes tbh but I was over the speed limit.

Translation: well over it.

shietpilot

brady23 wrote: »

I don't see what difference it really makes tbh but I was over the speed limit.
My question really was related to whether you can receive a fine if the Garda doesn't pull you over?
I was under the impression you needed to be pulled over.

Well I suppose they wouldn't try and pull you over if you were doing 280 km/h in the oul Lambo

brady23

andekwarhola wrote: »

Translation: well over it.

Again what difference does it make??

MarkAnthony

brady23 wrote: »

Again what difference does it make??

Once you're over it enough it could be dangerous driving which I'm pretty sure they wouldn;t need to stop you for. So while I'm pretty sure they need to stop you for a speeding fine FPN a court appearance might not have the same requirements.

Registered address etc upto date for the possible summons?

badabing106

brady23 wrote: »

I don't see what difference it really makes tbh but I was over the speed limit.
My question really was related to whether you can receive a fine if the Garda doesn't pull you over?
I was under the impression you needed to be pulled over.

Your impression was right. They have to pull you over in this scenario

Seth Brundle

brady23 wrote: »

Again what difference does it make??

Were just concerned about the children!

MarkAnthony

kbannon wrote: »

Were just concerned about the children!

There shouldn't be any in the fast lane. They should be playing in the hard shoulder.

brady23

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Once you're over it enough it could be dangerous driving which I'm pretty sure they wouldn;t need to stop you for. So while I'm pretty sure they need to stop you for a speeding fine FPN a court appearance might not have the same requirements.

Registered address etc upto date for the possible summons?

Is this just an assumption you're making or do you know this for a fact?

I would imagine that someone who Gardai would view as driving dangerously would be more likely to be pulled over, not less?

MarkAnthony

brady23 wrote: »

Is this just an assumption you're making or do you know this for a fact?

I would imagine that someone who Gardai would view as driving dangerously would be more likely to be pulled over, not less?

It depends if they can catch you. If you were doing in excess of a tonne (100MPH in old money) then there might not be anyone available to stop you, or they may consider it safer to let you continue and have it out at a later date.

I know for a fact that dangerous driving et al is a posiability and I'm pretty sure it doesn't require them to stop you. I think it's a technicality of a FPN only. Obviously I can't give you proper legal advice RTA isn't covered by most law degrees, certainly wasn't in mine. Legal advice is prohibited anyway. I remain open to correction but if there was no fall back everyone would simply floor it wouldn't they?

coylemj

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Once you're over it enough it could be dangerous driving which I'm pretty sure they wouldn;t need to stop you for.

There was a driver not long ago who was caught doing some outrageous speed on the M4 near Mullingar, he was charged with dangerous driving but the judge said that as the motorway was empty at the time, he wouldn't convict for DD, only on the speeding offence.

OP is dead right not to disclose the actual speed he was doing, all it will do is attract the usual high horse merchants.

brady23

MarkAnthony wrote: »

It depends if they can catch you. If you were doing in excess of a tonne (100MPH in old money) then there might not be anyone available to stop you, or they may consider it safer to let you continue and have it out at a later date.

I know for a fact that dangerous driving et al is a posiability and I'm pretty sure it doesn't require them to stop you. I think it's a technicality of a FPN only. Obviously I can't give you proper legal advice RTA isn't covered by most law degrees, certainly wasn't in mine. Legal advice is prohibited anyway. I remain open to correction but if there was no fall back everyone would simply floor it wouldn't they?

As I previously said, there was a garda with a speed gun. I would assume a garda with a speed gun is pretty much the definition of availability in this scenario.

I don't know how they would consider it safer to let me continue driving dangerously also, that makes little sense to me.

MarkAnthony

coylemj wrote: »

There was a driver not long ago who was caught doing some outrageous speed on the M4 near Mullingar, he was charged with dangerous driving but the judge said that as the motorway was empty at the time, he wouldn't convict for DD, only on the speeding offence.

OP is dead right not to disclose the actual speed he was doing, all it will do is attract the usual high horse merchants.

I think he's attracting more of a 'have a sense of humour' brigade at the moment. Indeed any DD case would have to be judged on it's merits. I'm simply suggesting it's not a case of I wasn't stopped happy days I got off.

MarkAnthony

brady23 wrote: »

As I previously said, there was a garda with a speed gun. I would assume a garda with a speed gun is pretty much the definition of availability in this scenario.

I don't know how they would consider it safer to let me continue driving dangerously also, that makes little sense to me.

Lets assume you were doing 180KPH. You're covering 3K a minute. The time it takes for the Guard to break down the kit, get back in the car and then catch up to you may simply mean it's easier to send you a summons in the hope you'll slow down once you're off the motorway.

There are a number of scenarios, I'm simply pointing out that there is a reason people are asking you your speed. Mainly to continue the mickey take I assume, but also for reasons stated above.

brady23

MarkAnthony wrote: »

I think he's attracting more of a 'have a sense of humour' brigade at the moment. Indeed any DD case would have to be judged on it's merits. I'm simply suggesting it's not a case of I wasn't stopped happy days I got off.

Sorry but I am absolutely not attracting a "have a sense of humour" brigade whatsoever. I am refraining from divulging the speed because I feel it has little to no relevance. I will put your mind at ease though, it was less than 100mph in old money as you say.
I don't find it funny at all, I obviously shouldn't be speeding, I was simply asking a question.

MarkAnthony

brady23 wrote: »

Sorry but I am absolutely not attracting a "have a sense of humour" brigade whatsoever. I am refraining from divulging the speed because I feel it has little to no relevance. I will put your mind at ease though, it was less than 100mph in old money as you say.
I don't find it funny at all, I obviously shouldn't be speeding, I was simply asking a question.

I'd chill then.

Jesus though I thought you said you were in the fast lane :rolleyes:

genericguy

slimjimmc wrote: »

It's still within the permitted overread tolerance which is 10% + 4km/h. At 120km/h the speedometer is allowed to read up 136 km/h
(120 * 1.10) + 4 = 136 km/h

Not true. I've gotten points for 108 in a 100.

andekwarhola

brady23 wrote: »

what difference does it make??

It makes none but,
now you have gone,
And penalty points may be
In the post tonight

MarkAnthony

genericguy wrote: »

Not true. I've gotten points for 108 in a 100.

He's talking about the speedo (passing the NCT I assume).

slimjimmc

genericguy wrote: »

Not true. I've gotten points for 108 in a 100.

It refers to the tolerance inherent in your speedometer not to any tolerance in the speed you can get away with before being fined. Under UN regulations all speedometers in use on public roads are allowed to over read by up to 10%+4km/h and are required to never under read.

endacl

MarkAnthony wrote: »

There shouldn't be any in the fast lane. They should be playing in the hard shoulder.

:mad:

Spare lane. It goes fast lane, auld one lane, spare lane.

PeteK*

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Lets assume you were doing 180KPH. You're covering 3K a minute. The time it takes for the Guard to break down the kit, get back in the car and then catch up to you may simply mean it's easier to send you a summons in the hope you'll slow down once you're off the motorway.

There's often a motorbike around when they're out with the tripods.

I am not sure, but I am pretty sure of someone getting a speeding fine after not being stopped. I thought a photo was necessary. (Though I know you being shown the speed on the gun would suffice, too)

I'd say when they're on a motorway with a gun, they're aiming for ones well over the limit.

9935452

Skatedude wrote: »

Anyone who uses the phase "fast lane" should have to do the theory test again.

An aweful lot of people have never done a theory test , im one of them, 2 driving tests done in the last 15 years and no theory tests done

inforfun

bear1 wrote: »

You speed you get points and expect a fine.
Btw you aren't saying what your speed was, how high was it?

biko

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