What army division must you join

Young Blood

in order to become an explosives expert?

Ta

Negative_G

Young Blood wrote: »

in order to become an explosives expert?

Ta

The Ordnance Corps.

Honestly, do people have an aversion to using google? Would you rather take the word of complete stranger or take the 30 seconds to google the information and get it from the official source?

http://www.military.ie/en/army/organisation/army-corps/ordnance/

AllthingsCP

Negative_G wrote: »

The Ordnance Corps.

Honestly, do people have an aversion to using google? Would you rather take the word of complete stranger or take the 30 seconds to google the information and get it from the official source?

http://www.military.ie/en/army/organisation/army-corps/ordnance/

Well this is a discussion board and it is the Military section with ex service men/women so i would say its a valid question in a valid location.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Negative_G wrote: »

The Ordnance Corps.

Honestly, do people have an aversion to using google? Would you rather take the word of complete stranger or take the 30 seconds to google the information and get it from the official source?

http://www.military.ie/en/army/organisation/army-corps/ordnance/

That's a bit harsh.

If everyone asked google their questions first there would be little need for discussion forum like this, and who's to say the OP didn't ask Google and was directed here.

OP its Ordnance, but so far as I know you'd have to be an officer with a degree in chemical engineering to become 'expert in explosive'.

Enlisted ordnance (and engineers) would have very limited experience with explosives too.

Negative_G

AllthingsCP wrote: »

Well this is a discussion board and it is the Military section with ex service men/women so i would say its a valid question in a valid location.

Where is the discussion exactly?

You are correct. This is the military forum. Thank you for stating the blindingly obvious.

The military forum also has its fair share of Walter Mitty types and armchair generals. I would certainly be dubious about the accuracy of some of what is posted based on reading the forum over the years.

The OP asked a single straightforward question. There was no other information requested. He/she would have been better served googling the question in the first place.

Considering the OP has recently asked elsewhere on boards about acquiring firearms, admitting himself/herself to a mental institution and seeking clarification about the legality of being in possession of information about making explosives, why would I, or anyone with half a brain provide any more information about EOD, other than what can be garnered from the official source?

Instead of rushing to the defence of a stranger, take some time to use your brain.

Arya Small Interpreter wrote: »

That's a bit harsh.

If everyone asked google their questions first there would be little need for discussion forum like this, and who's to say the OP didn't ask Google and was directed here.

OP its Ordnance, but so far as I know you'd have to be an officer with a degree in chemical engineering to become 'expert in explosive'.

Enlisted ordnance (and engineers) would have very limited experience with explosives too.

Not harsh at all. People are becoming far too reliant on being spoon fed information.

As you rightly pointed out this is a discussion forum. It's not a one line question and answer forum.

A google search of "Irish military explosives" would have given the OP his answer in the first two results. One of those results being from the official Military.ie website, which is a damn sight better than asking a faceless stranger on an online discussion forum.

AllthingsCP

Negative_G wrote: »

Where is the discussion exactly?

You are correct. This is the military forum. Thank you for stating the blindingly obvious.

The military forum also has its fair share of Walter Mitty types and armchair generals. I would certainly be dubious about the accuracy of some of what is posted based on reading the forum over the years.

The OP asked a single straightforward question. There was no other information requested. He/she would have been better served googling the question in the first place.

Considering the OP has recently asked elsewhere on boards about acquiring firearms, admitting himself/herself to a mental institution and seeking clarification about the legality of being in possession of information about making explosives, why would I, or anyone with half a brain provide any more information about EOD, other than what can be garnered from the official source?

Instead of rushing to the defence of a stranger, take some time to use your brain.



Not harsh at all. People are becoming far too reliant on being spoon fed information.

As you rightly pointed out this is a discussion forum. It's not a one line question and answer forum.

A google search of "Irish military explosives" would have given the OP his answer in the first two results. One of those results being from the official Military.ie website, which is a damn sight better than asking a faceless stranger on an online discussion forum.

Boards.ie Ireland & the world in general could do with alot less people like you.

Regardless its a place to ask questions, And if you dont have the answer or just want to be a little s*@T about answering the OP just move on and save us from reading you nasty negative comments.

Times i could have just google alot of information but its more fun to ask here it fills up the forums with sometimes interesting conversation and pump my board post numbers up.

Now calm down and go play some of Tom Clancy Division!

Now rather then dragging this tread future through the mud lets just leave it as i wont be replying anymore, As i'm going to play Arma and touch up on my armchair general ability.

Negative_G

AllthingsCP wrote: »

Boards.ie Ireland & the world in general could do with alot less people like you.

Regardless its a place to ask questions, And if you dont have the answer or just want to be a little s*@T about answering the OP just move on and save us from reading you nasty negative comments.

Times i could have just google alot of information but its more fun to ask here it fills up the forums with sometimes interesting conversation and pump my board post numbers up.

Now calm down and go play some of Tom Clancy Division!

Now rather then dragging this tread future through the mud lets just leave it as i wont be replying anymore, As i'm going to play Arma and touch up on my armchair general ability.

Your post contains so many spelling and grammatical errors that it is quite difficult to read. Thanks for the input all the same.

tac foley

You seem, Sir or Madame, to have appointed yourself to be a moderator on this forum. Do the real moderators know about this?

For what it's worth, bearing in mind that my information is by now out of date, I recall PDF EOD technicians undergoing training at COD Kineton School of Ammunition and EOD when I used to visit there as a lecturer - not, I hasten to add, in EOD, but in a related subject. I certainly recall talking to a PDF sergeant and a captain on one occasion. The British Army, of course, has ORs as ammunition technicians, one of whom, S/Sgt Olaf Schmidt, was awarded the George Cross.

This cross-training may or may not have fizzled out, now that the pressing need for EOD personnel on both sides of the border in Ireland has been reduced [somewhat] by the so-called Good Friday Agreement.

tac

Negative_G

tac foley wrote: »

You seem, Sir or Madame, to have appointed yourself to be a moderator on this forum. Do the real moderators know about this?

For what it's worth, bearing in mind that my information is by now out of date, I recall PDF EOD technicians undergoing training at COD Kineton School of Ammunition and EOD when I used to visit there as a lecturer - not, I hasten to add, in EOD, but in a related subject. I certainly recall talking to a PDF sergeant and a captain on one occasion. The British Army, of course, has ORs as ammunition technicians, one of whom, S/Sgt Olaf Schmidt, was awarded the George Cross.

This cross-training may or may not have fizzled out, now that the pressing need for EOD personnel on both sides of the border in Ireland has been reduced [somewhat] by the so-called Good Friday Agreement.

tac

That's odd. I, and I'm quite sure other users, do not see 'moderator' under my username so I'm afraid your assertion is incorrect. In fact, it almost sounds what a young child would say to try and get another into some sort of trouble.

The OP asked a question, I gave them their answer and highlighted that they would be better served referencing the official source, which they would have been got themselves had they had the initiative to search for it.

The OP didn't ask about how/where to join/educational requirements/the George Cross or anything else for that matter. They got the information they requested.

If being succinct and to the point isn't to your liking, it is of no concern to me. Don't expect me to add in padding to a post just to avoid someone who is a bit sensitive getting upset.

tac foley

Negative_G wrote: »

That's odd. I, and I'm quite sure other users, do not see 'moderator' under my username so I'm afraid your assertion is incorrect.

Ah, not a mod then. I guess we'll have to imagine 'ill-mannered PITA' instead, right?

tac

Negative_G

tac foley wrote: »

Ah, not a mod then. I guess we'll have to imagine 'ill-mannered PITA' instead, right?

tac

Remember 'tac', attack the post, not the poster.

tac foley

'kay, the post of an ill-mannered PITA.

How's that?

tac

Negative_G

tac foley wrote: »

'kay, the post of an ill-mannered PITA.

How's that?

tac

Much better.

Now that you've got that out of your system you must feel much better. It's only the internet, it's really not worth resorting to personal abuse, it achieves nothing

tac foley

'Negative_G has not made any friends yet'

Hardly surprising, eh?

tac

Negative_G

tac foley wrote: »

'Negative_G has not made any friends yet'

Hardly surprising, eh?

tac

The desperation to have the last word is quite upsetting to see.

Take care

AllthingsCP

tac foley wrote: »

'Negative_G has not made any friends yet'

Hardly surprising, eh?

tac

hehe . I promised myself i would not comment again but i have been enjoying watching this tread.!! Surprised the mod is letting it go tho.

Manic Moran

[Mod]Tac, you're crossing the line a bit, here.

That said, Negative, you're being a little grandiose as well. Neither of you are covering yourselves with glory here, cut it out.[/Mod]

tac foley

Reading this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Corps_(Ireland)#Explosive_Ordnance_Disposal_.28EOD.29 - there is no mention of the level of seniority of those actually engaged in 'walking to the bomb', so as far as that goes, I can't offer any advice. However, in the British Army it is the senior NCOs of Sergeant and Staff Sergeant rank and up who are actually engaged in EOD/IED, as, of course, as officers.

Bearing in mind the lengthy training and content, and noting that all those engaged in EOD/IED per se undergo the same training, regardless of rank [as noted, from Sergeant upwards] in the British Army, it would be reasonable to assume that the Irish Army Ordnance Corps does the same thing.

I'm happy to be told otherwise.

There is a LOT more to the trade/profession of Ammunition Technician than this, important though it is. The care and safeguarding of ammunition, explosives and pyrotechnics is of paramount importance to the military, and continuous testing and evaluation of stocks in hand is a task that occupies much time in ordnance storage depots as well as the inspection of unit holdings in-barracks. EOD, however, requires a different mind and skill set than examination, and like many other specialised skills, there are a number of psychological evaluations and tests that have to be passed to ensure suitability for this task.

tac

arybvtcw0eolkf

Tac I've only ever witnessed officers handle IED's and unexploded ordnance both at home and oversea's ~ and I'm happy with that

I've no doubt other ranks are trained up to the job but I've never seen an enlisted man tackle anything like this.

Manic Moran

Arya Small Interpreter wrote: »

Tac I've only ever witnessed officers handle IED's and unexploded ordnance both at home and oversea's ~ and I'm happy with that

I've no doubt other ranks are trained up to the job but I've never seen an enlisted man tackle anything like this.

I've seen both officers and enlisted do it in the US, but usually enlisted. That said, the operator's manual for the Centurion tank indicates that the officer was the one to handle issues with unexploded ordnance. (On the matter of dealing with charges used for blowing the tank)