Shimano break pad holder- The little screws

Leroy42

So the brake pad holder that the brake pad slides into and is kept in there by a little screw, a 2mm allen bolt.

The problem I have is that almost everytime I go to change a brake pad the screw is stuck and is so small that I can never get it out. This means I cant get the old brake pad out.

Is it just me or is there something I should be doing either before or after to save myself having to buy new holders.

dvntie

Leroy42 wrote: »

So the brake pad holder that the brake pad slides into and is kept in there by a little screw, a 2mm allen bolt.

The problem I have is that almost everytime I go to change a brake pad the screw is stuck and is so small that I can never get it out. This means I cant get the old brake pad out.

Is it just me or is there something I should be doing either before or after to save myself having to buy new holders.

Yes the next time you replace them, put a little grease in the threads. Job done

Wishbone Ash

dvntie wrote: »

Yes the next time you replace them, put a little grease in the threads. Job done

This .....and don't tighten them. (I used to have the same problem).

Eamonnator

Leroy42 wrote: »

So the brake pad holder that the brake pad slides into and is kept in there by a little screw, a 2mm allen bolt.

The problem I have is that almost everytime I go to change a brake pad the screw is stuck and is so small that I can never get it out. This means I cant get the old brake pad out.

Is it just me or is there something I should be doing either before or after to save myself having to buy new holders.

If you strip the thread,which is quite easy to do, you can get the screws out with a vise grip.

Statler

Do they serve any purpose, or are they the valve dust caps of brakes? I've a pair of Mavic wheels with exalith braking surfaces, they use the exalith brake pads, so if I swap between the exalith and other non exalith wheels I have to change the brake pads. I just stopped putting the screws back in, can't remember where but I read somewhere online that the screws could be left out with no adverse affect , if you think about it the brake pads are hardly likely to come out, when you're braking the pads are being pushed back into the holders.

Wishbone Ash

Statler wrote: »

Do they serve any purpose, or are they the valve dust caps of brakes? I've a pair of Mavic wheels with exalith braking surfaces, they use the exalith brake pads, so if I swap between the exalith and other non exalith wheels I have to change the brake pads. I just stopped putting the screws back in, can't remember where but I read somewhere online that the screws could be left out with no adverse affect , if you think about it the brake pads are hardly likely to come out, when you're braking the pads are being pushed back into the holders.

They are required under US legislation so it's probably easier for manufacturers to use the same set-up for countries that don't require them.

Under the US regulations, the pad must be secure when the bike and rider are rocked to and fro. If the screw wasn't in place there is a chance that the pad might slide out under the weight of a rider going backwards.

Presumably they also add security where a pad/shoe has been installed backwards.

Wishbone Ash

Here we go!

§1512.5 Requirements for braking system.
(a) Braking system. Bicycles shall be equipped with front- and rear-wheel brakes or rear-wheel brakes only.

(b) Handbrakes. Handbrakes shall be tested at least ten times by applying a force sufficient to cause the handlever to contact the handlebar, or a maximum of 445 N (100 lbf), in accordance with the loading test, §1512.18(d)(2), and shall be rocked back and forth with the weight of a 68.1 kg (150 lb) rider on the seat with the same handbrake force applied in accordance with the rocking test, §1512.18(d)(2)(iii); there shall be no visible fractures, failures, movement of clamps, or misalignment of brake components.

(1) Stopping distance. A bicycle equipped with only handbrakes shall be tested for stopping distance by a rider of at least 68.1 kg (150 lb) weight in accordance with the performance test, §1512.18(d)(2) (v) and (vi), and shall have a stopping distance of no greater than 4.57 m (15 ft) from the actual test speed as determined by the equivalent ground speed specified in §1512.18(d)(2)(vi).

(2) Hand lever access. Hand lever mechanisms shall be located on the handlebars in a position that is readily accessible to the rider when in a normal riding position.

(3) Grip dimension. The grip dimension (maximum outside dimension between the brake hand lever and the handlebars in the plane containing the centerlines of the handgrip and the hand brake lever) shall not exceed 89 mm (31⁄2 in) at any point between the pivot point of the lever and lever midpoint; the grip dimension for sidewalk bicycles shall not exceed 76 mm (3 in). The grip dimension may increase toward the open end of the lever but shall not increase by more than 12.7 mm ( 1⁄2 in) except for the last 12.7 mm ( 1⁄2 in) of the lever. (See figure 5 of this part 1512.)

(4) Attachment. Brake assemblies shall be securely attached to the frame by means of fasteners with locking devices such as a lock washer, locknut, or equivalent and shall not loosen during the rocking test, §1512.18(d)- (2)(iii). The cable anchor bolt shall not cut any of the cable strands.

(5) Operating force. A force of less than 44.5 N (10 lbf) shall cause the brake pads to contact the braking surface of the wheel when applied to the handlever at a point 25 mm (1.0 in) from the open end of the handlever.

(6) Pad and pad holders. Caliper brake pad shall be replaceable and adjustable to engage the braking surface without contacting the tire or spokes and the pad holders shall be securely attached to the caliper assembly. The brake pad material shall be retained in its holder without movement when the bicycle is loaded with a rider of at least 68.1 kg (150 lb) weight and is rocked forward and backward as specified in the rocking test, §1512.18(d)(2)(iii).

(7) [Reserved]

(8) Hand lever location. The rear brake shall be actuated by a control located on the right handlebar and the front brake shall be actuated by a control located on the left handlebar. The left-hand/right-hand locations may be reversed in accordance with an individual customer order. If a single hand lever is used to actuate both front and rear brakes, it shall meet all applicable requirements for hand levers and shall be located on either the right or left handlebar in accordance with the customer's preference.

(9) Hand lever extensions. Bicycles equipped with hand lever extensions shall be tested with the extension levers in place and the hand lever extensions shall also be considered to be hand levers.

(c) Footbrakes. All footbrakes shall be tested in accordance with the force test, §1512.18(e)(2), and the measured braking force shall not be less than 178 N (40 lbf) for an applied pedal force of 310 N (70 lbf).

(1) Stopping distance. Bicycles equipped with footbrakes (except sidewalk bicycles) shall be tested in accordance with the performance test, §1512.18(e)(3), by a rider of at least 68.1 kg (150 lb) weight and shall have a stopping distance of no greater than 4.57 m (15 ft) from an actual test speed of at least 16 km/h (10 mph). If the bicycle has a footbrake only and the equivalent groundspeed of the bicycle is in excess of 24 km/h (15 mph) (in its highest gear ratio at a pedal crank rate of 60 revolutions per minute),3 the stopping distance shall be 4.57 m (15 ft) from an actual test speed of 24 km/h (15 mph) or greater.

3This is proportional to a gear development greater than 6.67 m (21.9 ft) in the bicycle's highest gear ratio. Gear development is the distance the bicycle travels in meters, in one crank revolution.

(2) Operating force. Footbrakes shall be actuated by a force applied to the pedal in a direction opposite to that of the drive force, except where brakes are separate from the drive pedals and the applied force is in the same direction as the drive force.

(3) Crank differential. The differential between the drive and brake positions of the crank shall be not more than 60° with the crank held against each position under a torque of no less than 13.6 N-m (10 ft-lb).

(4) Independent operation. The brake mechanism shall function independently of any drive-gear positions or adjustments.

(d) Footbrakes and handbrakes in combination. Bicycles equipped with footbrakes and handbrakes shall meet all the requirements for footbrakes in §1512.5(c), including the tests specified. In addition, if the equivalent ground speed of the bicycle is 24 km/h (15 mph) or greater (in its highest gear ratio at a pedal crank rate of 60 revolutions per minute),3 the actual test speed specified in §1512.18(e)(3) shall be increased to 24 km/h (15 mph) and both braking systems may be actuated to achieve the required stopping distance of 4.57 m (15 ft).

(e) Sidewalk bicycles. (1) Sidewalk bicycles shall not have handbrakes only.

(2) Sidewalk bicycles with a seat height of 560 mm (22 in) or greater (with seat height adjusted to its lowest position) shall be equipped with a footbrake meeting all the footbrake requirements of §1512.5(c), including the specified tests except that the braking force transmitted to the rear wheel shall be in accordance with the sidewalk bicycle footbrake force tests, §1512.18(f).

(3) Sidewalk bicycles with a seat height less than 560 mm (22 in) (with seat height adjusted to its lowest position) and not equipped with a brake shall not have a freewheel feature. Such sidewalk bicycles equipped with a footbrake shall be tested for brake force in accordance with the sidewalk bicycle footbrake force test, §1512.18(f). Such sidewalk bicycles not equipped with brakes shall be identified with a permanent label clearly visible from a distance of 3.1 m (10 ft) in daylight conditions and promotional display material and shipping cartons shall prominently display the words “No Brakes.”

flying11

Leroy42 wrote: »

So the brake pad holder that the brake pad slides into and is kept in there by a little screw, a 2mm allen bolt.

The problem I have is that almost everytime I go to change a brake pad the screw is stuck and is so small that I can never get it out. This means I cant get the old brake pad out.

Is it just me or is there something I should be doing either before or after to save myself having to buy new holders.

I was having the exact same issue last year and then i learned that the shimano 105 5800 brake shoes use a screw instead of an allen bolt for holding the brake shoes.

The screw can easily be removed with either a flathead or philips screwdriver and i have had no issues since switching to this brake shoe

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