Stomach tube 'food' into a 'cow'?

Jb1989

Ever such thing as stomach tubeing food into a cow?

Have a cow with a chill and Bloat together,

Chill and bloat may be solved now,
But,
No food intake for 3 or 4 days,
Bottled water and glucose down the throat few times over last 2 days,

But need something more energy wise,

Any thoughts...?

Kovu

Get some cud from a butcher. And try her with some ivy, best thing to tempt them & full of nutrients.

Jb1989

Kovu wrote: »

Get some cud from a butcher. And try her with some ivy, best thing to tempt them & full of nutrients.

Fair play, thank you,
Will pick ivy now,,
How does the cud be given to cow??

tanko

Vets have a big version of a calf stomach tube that goes down the throat and has can be clipped onto their nose. I remember it being used here years ago, very useful for getting large volumes of fluids into cows quickly that are dehydrated or scouring badly.

whelan2

Jb1989 wrote: »

Fair play, thank you,
Will pick ivy now,,
How does the cud be given to cow??

Stimulex powders from vet either rather than getting the cud. Maybe a jar of coffee for energy too

Jb1989

tanko wrote: »

Vets have a big version of a calf stomach tube that goes down the throat and has can be clipped onto their nose. I remember it being used here years ago, very useful for getting large volumes of fluids into cows quickly that are dehydrated or scouring badly.

Yes. Vet just left few mins ago after using big tube, for another litre of Liquid parifin mixed with glucose.

Would get him back with it if I knew what to put into it for feed for a cow.

Thanks for input tanko

Jb1989

whelan2 wrote: »

Stimulex powders from vet either rather than getting the cud. Maybe a jar of coffee for energy too

Stimulex vs cud, I'll look into both ASAP Never heard the coffee version, but it's worth a shot..

Thank you whelan

Kovu

whelan2 wrote: »

Stimulex powders from vet either rather than getting the cud. Maybe a jar of coffee for energy too

Forgot about the coffee!

We give fluids using a certain bottle here, it's an off white rubber one and holds about a pint. Think it's older than me so no idea what/where it's from. Just perfect as the cow can't bite on it.
Any bottle with a long neck should work or a large dosing gun and patience. You could put a rope halter on her in the crush to keep her head up in order to give all at one instead of battling with her. Best of luck & let us know how she goes.

trixi2011

whelan2 wrote: »

Stimulex powders from vet either rather than getting the cud. Maybe a jar of coffee for energy too

Have herd of people using coffee before but never knew what it is used for. when would you give it and how ?

Jb1989

Kovu wrote: »

Forgot about the coffee!

We give fluids using a certain bottle here, it's an off white rubber one and holds about a pint. Think it's older than me so no idea what/where it's from. Just perfect as the cow can't bite on it.
Any bottle with a long neck should work or a large dosing gun and patience. You could put a rope halter on her in the crush to keep her head up in order to give all at one instead of battling with her. Best of luck & let us know how she goes.

Yea a certain bottle works wonders,
Halter is handy alright for keeping them up

But as I write I think she is now pulling the pin, stomach started to leap, then head outstretched, I expect her gone wen I take a mug of tea.

At least this thread may have info for someone else in similar conditions,

Any how I'll know better wen I look into shed shortly.

Jb1989

Lights out.

Thanks guys for tips anyway.

They may be useful again for me or others.

Thanks.

whelan2

trixi2011 wrote: »

Have herd of people using coffee before but never knew what it is used for. when would you give it and how ?

If vet was dosing with aggers pump we would throw in a large jar of coffee in with whatever fluids he is giving. 1.99 for a jar in aldi. Handy to keep a few in press. Some people have their own aggers pump. Sorry to hear about your cow op

freedominacup

Jb1989 wrote: »

Lights out.

Thanks guys for tips anyway.

They may be useful again for me or others.

Thanks.

An agger pump which is one of the versions of what you needed is on my wishlist. As with any dehydration scenario you need to get fluids in early and often. I've never heard of coffee for energy but Whelan and kovu are as good on husbandry and dealing with sick animals as anyone on the forum so I'd now to their knowledge. Only time we used coffee was for a cow with a burst ulcer in the lower intestine. Vet recommended it to aid with clotting. Worked well too. That was 2012 and that cow will only be culled next month.

Jb1989

whelan2 wrote: »

If vet was dosing with aggers pump we would throw in a large jar of coffee in with whatever fluids he is giving. 1.99 for a jar in aldi. Handy to keep a few in press. Some people have their own aggers pump. Sorry to hear about your cow op

We put in half bag of glucose along with the final litre of parifin,
She was ok-ish
But half hour later started to react badly,
So don't know what finished her,

Still never heard about the coffee version, but good to know,.

Aw thanks whelan,, unfortunate, but that's it. Thanks

Jb1989

freedominacup wrote: »

An agger pump which is one of the versions of what you needed is on my wishlist. As with any dehydration scenario you need to get fluids in early and often. I've never heard of coffee for energy but Whelan and kovu are as good on husbandry and dealing with sick animals as anyone on the forum so I'd now to their knowledge. Only time we used coffee was for a cow with a burst ulcer in the lower intestine. Vet recommended it to aid with clotting. Worked well too. That was 2012 and that cow will only be culled next month.

Yea the ladies are good for tips like that,
That the men wouldn't bother with,
You's all have faith in the coffee,
Clearly worked with your ulcer cow
So must be good,,

Yea fluids early and often is crucial,
We done that fairly well with an open mouths tit bottle,

Never heard of an agger pump,
Will have to google that,,

Jb1989

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€245 some place in Kilkenny
Sort of a bicycle pump system

whelan2

Jb1989 wrote: »

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€245 some place in Kilkenny
Sort of a bicycle pump system

YOU have to make sure you have the tube in right, if its wrong the fluid will go in to the cows lungs

Kovu

Ah shít one jb, sorry to hear it She went very quick in the end, sometimes it's better they do that instead of lying on there trying to die for days. I have faith in the cud more than coffee as I gave it to a cow that went 10 days without eating and she came through after it. I stank like a rotten bale for a few days after it though.

This is the bottle I'm on about, didn't think it was actually a bottle specifically for cattle but there ya go!

Jb1989

whelan2 wrote: »

YOU have to make sure you have the tube in right, if its wrong the fluid will go in to the cows lungs

Yea that would be so true,

I've done it with newborn calves,
But never had to with a cow,

Same principle, bigger version, I suppose.

welton john

trixi2011 wrote: »

Have herd of people using coffee before but never knew what it is used for. when would you give it and how ?

use coffee here for displaced stomachs.big 300g jar morning and evening.Vet here was saying it gets the gas out, after a few day it usually puts them right

Jb1989

Kovu wrote: »

Ah shít one jb, sorry to hear it She went very quick in the end, sometimes it's better they do that instead of lying on there trying to die for days. I have faith in the cud more than coffee as I gave it to a cow that went 10 days without eating and she came through after it. I stank like a rotten bale for a few days after it though.

This is the bottle I'm on about, didn't think it was actually a bottle specifically for cattle but there ya go!

Ah thanks kovu,

She was due to calve in 3 weeks or so,
Was giveing a bit of maize meal to the precalvers this last fortnight,
But was missing the white powder to mix with it for the immune system, as lorry man forgot it and I was waiting for it with the next delivery,

So that was probably a factor in the slight bloat problem, or else the chill caused it, either one or the other or both,

Learn the hard way as always,
Aw well.
Long number of years since there was a cow lost here tho thank god,

Yea after the vet left I said I must ask on here for other energy tips,
to have on hand, but she went back ways as I was typing,

True on the dieing end, couldn't look at that dragging on too long,.

10 days was some length to go with out food and then to make a recovery,
Fair play to you and the cud,,

Rubber bottle looks handy to have on standby compared to the glass 7up bottle of yesteryear,

Anyway thanks for the tips kovu,
Useful to have printed here for myself and others.

Jb1989

welton john wrote: »

use coffee here for displaced stomachs.big 300g jar morning and evening.Vet here was saying it gets the gas out, after a few day it usually puts them right

Another vote for coffee,Thanks welton

greysides

trixi2011 wrote: »

Have herd of people using coffee before but never knew what it is used for. when would you give it and how ?

Coffee acts a motility stimulant. No energy in it. For energy, dose with glycerine, half pint twice a day. Tacky stuff so warm it up and dose it in carefully.
Ivy is good as is cud transplant, old remedies but useful. Stimulex is easier though.

Jb1989

greysides wrote: »

Coffee acts a motility stimulant. No energy in it. For energy, dose with glycerine, half pint twice a day. Tacky stuff so warm it up and dose it in carefully.
Ivy is good as is cud transplant, old remedies but useful. Stimulex is easier though.

Glycerine, that's ones for the cabinet,
Ivy and stimulex also mentioned by the other posters,

Thanks grey-sides

keep going

Isnt nearly coming to the stage where if things are gone that bad its hardly worth fooling around with them.god we used to be at them all, cud ivy, beet, kale leaves, poteen, stomach stimilants, glucose, molasses and manymore ive forgotten and you d be doing well to save one in five.made an effort to make better silage last year because on account of expansion ive left the cows age profiledrag up and I wanted them in good order for calving but as soon as I can I ll start dragging down the age profile again, I used to find it was always the agey girls gave the most trouble.now after saying that ill probaly be stuck in one next week

orm0nd

greysides wrote: »

Coffee acts a motility stimulant. No energy in it. For energy, dose with glycerine, half pint twice a day. Tacky stuff so warm it up and dose it in carefully.
Ivy is good as is cud transplant, old remedies but useful. Stimulex is easier though.

Ketol or chanatol for energy as well, might be easier to give also,

had to stomach tube a cow today that had twins 2 days ago & is fairly off form

sorry to hear about your cow op. we all get our share sooner or later.

tanko

orm0nd wrote: »

Ketol or chanatol for energy as well, might be easier to give also,

had to stomach tube a cow today that had twins 2 days ago & is fairly off form

sorry to hear about your cow op. we all get our share sooner or later.

Did your cow hold one of the cleanings?

I'm giving Betamox LA every second day to a cow which had twins four days ago and held a cleaning. She's in good form tho.

orm0nd

tanko wrote: »

Did your cow hold one of the cleanings?

I'm giving Betamox LA every second day to a cow which had twins four days ago and held a cleaning. She's in good form tho.

she passed them after 24 hours, gave her oxytocin twice,

vet handled her to day to check, and said while she's clear there's a lot of bloody fluids still inside, she's on Noroclav for now

twin calves.. both breech, first 1 was dead, second not much better but after 48 hours in ICU at last showing a bit of turnaround, sucked for first time this pm

kowtow

whelan2 wrote:

Stimulex powders from vet either rather than getting the cud. Maybe a jar of coffee for energy too

That's the ticket. I have one wild rolling eyed heifer now that goes straight to the crush on the way out of the parlour and bawls at me if she doesn't set her super-grande-double-cappucino.

whelan2

Had to get vet with aggers pump this morning. Cow with a wicked scour. Pumped about 40 litres of fluid into her. Very easy with the pump