Church abuse in third world countries?

This is quite possibly the wrong thread to post this, but if there's somewhere better, it can be moved?

Im just wondering about the rampant sexual abuse that the catholic church dealt out over the years. We have heard of all the ' first world' countries it happened in, Ireland, England, USA, Australia......
What I'm worried about is the ' third world' countries, where the church is taking hold? Has there been evidence of the same thing happening there? Is there something we can do now to stop this happening elsewhere, where maybe the church has the same grip they had here years ago?
Does anyone have any stories of this happening, or any know any people trying to make sure it doesn't happen?

stoplooklisten

bubblypop wrote: »

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What I'm worried about is the ' third world' countries, where the church is taking hold? .......

I don't know but I'm worried about the "first world" countries where islam is taking hold...

We both probably need more hobbies

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

There have been cases here in Colombia and there are probably others across Latin America.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

There have been cases here in Colombia and there are probably others across Latin America.

Is there any kind of protections put in place there?
Any people standing up to stop it, before it gets as bad as it was here back in the day?

stoplooklisten

stoplooklisten wrote: »

They were buddhists mostly in cambodia...it's only the catholics he's after

The poster said Colombia, which is a long way from Cambodia.
I'm a she.
And I'm not after Catholics I'm just worried about the same thing happening somewhere else that happened here.

johnnyskeleton

bubblypop wrote: »

Im just wondering about the rampant sexual abuse that the catholic church dealt out over the years. We have heard of all the ' first world' countries it happened in, Ireland, England, USA, Australia......
What I'm worried about is the ' third world' countries, where the church is taking hold? Has there been evidence of the same thing happening there? Is there something we can do now to stop this happening elsewhere, where maybe the church has the same grip they had here years ago?

Let me get this straight - there are dictators, famines, natural disasters, repressive regiemes, housing shortages, corruption, organised crime and civil wars in many many countries, very often leading directly or indirectly to death harm to sexual abuse, but you're only interested in knowing about this if it was caused by the catholic church?

Thats fine, just so long as you realise that you are not motivated by a desire to help people so much as a desire to attack a religion.

stoplooklisten

bubblypop wrote: »

The poster said Colombia, which is a long way from Cambodia.
I'm a she.
And I'm not after Catholics I'm just worried about the same thing happening somewhere else that happened here.

my mistake, we don't need to include them in our worries so

The Randy Riverbeast

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Let me get this straight - there are dictators, famines, natural disasters, repressive regiemes, housing shortages, corruption, organised crime and civil wars in many many countries, very often leading directly or indirectly to death harm to sexual abuse, but you're only interested in knowing about this if it was caused by the catholic church?

Thats fine, just so long as you realise that you are not motivated by a desire to help people so much as a desire to attack a religion.

That or a person is curious if what happened here in the past is now happening in other countries at the present.

Im sure if the sexual abuse cover ups in Ireland were caused by a dictator there would be Irish people wondering if it was the same in other dictatorships or if ours was unique.

Not sure if India is 3rd world, or if its caste system and acceptance of rape against women place it below that, but some fairly rancid sexual abuse of nuns by priests and at least one bishop, Bishop Franco Mulakkal, is now emerging according to this New York Times article yesterday:

Nun’s Rape Case Against Bishop Shakes a Catholic Bastion in India (9 February 2019)

Sexual Abuse of Nuns: Longstanding Church Scandal Emerges From Shadows (6 February 2019)

Nuns 'sex slaves' scandal fresh blow to Catholic church (6 February 2019)

And this Wikipedia article just gets longer and longer and longer:

Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country

I wonder how much similar abuse of nuns by Irish priests/bishops went on in Irish convents.... Anyway, the much-hyped idea that the future of the RCC will be in poorer countries is not going to become a reality if sexual abuses are being openly acknowledged there at this early stage in the help/exploitation of a poorer people's need for hope. At least the RCC got a solid 140 years out of post-Famine Ireland before the widespread abuses even started to be openly acknowledged here.

kneemos

Look,take it for granted.

Poor Uncle Tom

Will somebody think of the nuns!

eviltwin

Of course it goes on and I doubt it's a Catholic thing. It's a religion thing, give a group power in a country where the average person has none and abuse will happen

Poor Uncle Tom

eviltwin wrote: »

it's a Catholic thing.

What now?!!! :eek:

kneemos

eviltwin wrote: »

Of course it goes on and I doubt it's a Catholic thing. It's a religion thing, give a group power in a country where the average person has none and abuse will happen

Where have you been the last twenty years?

vargoo

Pedos moved on over into the army/defence forces.

Ipso

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

What now?!!! :eek:

What now, indeed!
At your selective quoting.

Poor Uncle Tom

Ipso wrote: »

What now, indeed!
At your selective quoting.

Of course! makes for a much clearer focus for Ire....

Get with the program Ipso...

Ipso

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

course makes for a much clearer focus for Ire....

Horrible thing to say about course.

Graces7

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/

kneemos

Graces7 wrote: »

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/

If they had any shame or concern they would be having their own public investigations into abuse in third world countries.

Obviously they don't learn.

Graces7

If they had any shame or concern they would be having their own public investigations into abuse in third world countries.

Obviously they don't learn.
kneemos i

That site used to have a range of abuse in every religious institution be it Catholic, Anglican, Buddhist ( yes, they are at it too) right across the range. Now so many Catholic that few others get mentioned.

We all knew re the abuse of nuns decades ago, and the resulting children.. At least the nuns were protected and hidden ?

Hopefully all in the past.. Canada had more than its share too and mostly Irish outcasts

Gimme A Pound

Personally I'd be more concerned about abuse within any religion and would question the focusing on just one.

I would be surprised too if there weren't stricter regulations enforced by the Catholic church in this regard, given the damage to its reputation.

Grayson

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Let me get this straight - there are dictators, famines, natural disasters, repressive regiemes, housing shortages, corruption, organised crime and civil wars in many many countries, very often leading directly or indirectly to death harm to sexual abuse, but you're only interested in knowing about this if it was caused by the catholic church?

Thats fine, just so long as you realise that you are not motivated by a desire to help people so much as a desire to attack a religion.

To be fair he has a point. We have in some ways helped these countries already. The church instigated some reforms. Most have been regional but some have been global.
And those reforms were instigated because of what happened in places like Australia, the US and Ireland.

What you're doing is whataboutery. You're saying that we can't talk about one bad thing because of unrelated bad things.

Now don't get me wrong, you can talk about similar related issues. You can compare the abuse that occured within one religious organization with another organisation. It's good to make comparisons and see what can be learned from each. But to throw in housing shortages, natural disasters and civil wars is really taking the piss.

Graces7

I checked re what happened to nuns who were impregnated by abusing priests.

Many were blamed. sent away from their Order. Babies removed and as with the Magdalenes , sold to America.

Hotblack Desiato

What else would you expect from that lot? Biggest criminal organisation in the world by far.