What if Donald Trump actually becomes US president?

thattequilagirl

I mean, we've all had a laugh about his campaign, but he's now seriously on the path to being the GOP nominee.

How the hell is he going to handle tense negotiations with Iran or Korea?

dissed doc

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I mean, we've all had a laugh about his campaign, but he's now seriously on the path to being the GOP nominee.

How the hell is he going to handle tense negotiations with Iran or Korea?

Hopefully better than Obama, who ignited war across all of North Africa, destabilised the ME with Syria and triggered the mass invasian of millions of military age African and middle eastern males to Europe leading to massive increase in violent crime and rape.

So hopefully Donald doesn't just talk the talk. A weak western leader like Obama matched with weak European leadership like Merkel has been a disaster both at home in America and Europe, or outside of the West in the ME.

daisybelle2008

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I mean, we've all had a laugh about his campaign, but he's now seriously on the path to being the GOP nominee.

How the hell is he going to handle tense negotiations with Iran or Korea?

He will Nuke them. And we thought the Cold War in the eighties was scary.

get a room

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I mean, we've all had a laugh about his campaign, but he's now seriously on the path to being the GOP nominee.

How the hell is he going to handle tense negotiations with Iran or Korea?

Nothing. The President has no power other than a voice. He needs control of the senate to get anything done. Trump will never get this. Long term individual senators might see the benefits of becoming more right wing but that will only occur before the next senate elections.

everlast75

dissed doc wrote: »

Hopefully better than Obama, who ignited war across all of North Africa, destabilised the ME with Syria and triggered the mass invasian of millions of military age African and middle eastern males to Europe leading to massive increase in violent crime and rape.

So hopefully Donald doesn't just talk the talk. A weak western leader like Obama matched with weak European leadership like Merkel has been a disaster both at home in America and Europe, or outside of the West in the ME.

Riiiiigggghht!


Anyhoo - Trump will be destroyed in the first one on one debate. He'll have nowhere to hide. He says he will do things but doesn't explain detail. It'll be a democrat president for sure.

josephryan1989

get a room wrote: »

Nothing. The President has no power other than a voice. He needs control of the senate to get anything done. Trump will never get this. Long term individual senators might see the benefits of becoming more right wing but that will only occur before the next senate elections.

Trump has alienated the Senate and Congress and will be a lame duck President from day one. He will make gaffe after gaffe after gaffe and will probably resign when he can't get his way.
He is mentally unstable and the JOC will disobey his orders if he brings the world to nuclear confrontation with China or Russia.

I remember the ending scene from By Dawn's Early Light when the one of the SAC planes rams the President's plane to prevent a full scale escalation following a limited nuclear exchange.

ceadaoin.

It's early days yet. He hasn't a chance. At least I hope so, it's a scary thought!

Eugene Norman

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I mean, we've all had a laugh about his campaign, but he's now seriously on the path to being the GOP nominee.

How the hell is he going to handle tense negotiations with Iran or Korea?

Why negotiate with either, they don't border or threathen Anerica.

Eugene Norman

get a room wrote: »

Nothing. The President has no power other than a voice. He needs control of the senate to get anything done. Trump will never get this. Long term individual senators might see the benefits of becoming more right wing but that will only occur before the next senate elections.

Executive orders.

dissed doc

dissed doc wrote: »

Hopefully better than Obama, who ignited war across all of North Africa, destabilised the ME with Syria and triggered the mass invasian of millions of military age African and middle eastern males to Europe leading to massive increase in violent crime and rape.

So hopefully Donald doesn't just talk the talk. A weak western leader like Obama matched with weak European leadership like Merkel has been a disaster both at home in America and Europe, or outside of the West in the ME.

In fairness, Syria was a basket case for decades.

And for a country that produced the Ryan Report into the mass abuse of our children, it's a bit weak to suggest that the Africans have brought a "massive increase in...rape..."

Eugene Norman

daisybelle2008 wrote: »

He will Nuke them. And we thought the Cold War in the eighties was scary.

It doesn't look like trump has much interest in any wars in the Middle East. His policy on the Iran agreement is to keep it, the other two republican leaders want to tear it up. Clinton is also controlled by neo-conservative funders.

Eugene Norman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In fairness, Syria was a basket case for decades.

And for a country that produced the Ryan Report into the mass abuse of our children, it's a bit weak to suggest that the Africans have brought a "massive increase in...rape..."

? Syria was stable for years.

Shenshen

Trump on one side, Putin on the other.

Just when you thought the world couldn't possibly get madder, this possibility crops up.

josephryan1989

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Executive orders.

If he gives deranged orders patriotic generals would mutiny. They have also taken an oath to protect the US from all enemies both foreign and domestic. If a madman took control of the US and brought the world to the brink they would act and bring him down.

pauldla

It's hard to imagine Trump being able to deal with the likes of Putin or Xi Jinping.....

mynameis905

dissed doc wrote: »

Hopefully better than Obama, who ignited war across all of North Africa, destabilised the ME with Syria and triggered the mass invasian of millions of military age African and middle eastern males to Europe leading to massive increase in violent crime and rape.

So hopefully Donald doesn't just talk the talk. A weak western leader like Obama matched with weak European leadership like Merkel has been a disaster both at home in America and Europe, or outside of the West in the ME.

Trump is a tool but thankfully there isn't a snowball's chance in hell he will become president. I don't know about Obama igniting war in North Africa but I have a feeling that history won't be kind to him. The man is disappointment and wishy-washiness personified.

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, Syria was a basket case for decades.

And for a country that produced the Ryan Report into the mass abuse of our children, it's a bit weak to suggest that the Africans have brought a "massive increase in...rape..."

Syria had been stable since 1970ish. An utter shíthole perhaps, but stable nonetheless.

dissed doc

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In fairness, Syria was a basket case for decades.

And for a country that produced the Ryan Report into the mass abuse of our children, it's a bit weak to suggest that the Africans have brought a "massive increase in...rape..."

Syria was a completely stable place for decades, more so than Ireland ever was. 10 years ago you could stroll around Damascus as a woman with little to fear.

And the increase in rape by North Africans triggered by the Libyan war under Obama has sparked and supported the ongoing illegal migration. The massive increase of rapes are widely reported, incluidng paedophilic rape in detention and asylum centres. Whataboutery is not a reasonable response.

Hopefully the next US president will not be a soft touch buffoon like Obama.

PapaQuebec

dissed doc wrote: »

Hopefully better than Obama, who ignited war across all of North Africa, destabilised the ME with Syria and triggered the mass invasian of millions of military age African and middle eastern males to Europe leading to massive increase in violent crime and rape.

So hopefully Donald doesn't just talk the talk. A weak western leader like Obama matched with weak European leadership like Merkel has been a disaster both at home in America and Europe, or outside of the West in the ME.

Good God!

I didn't think you were allowed to say things like that on this site!!!

sunshine and showers

PapaQuebec wrote: »

Good God!

I didn't think you were allowed to say things like that on this site!!!

People say stupid shít on this site all the time.

mynameis905

mynameis905 wrote: »

Syria had been stable since 1970ish. An utter shíthole perhaps, but stable nonetheless.

Would that include the period where they killed tens of thousands of their own civilians in the 80s?

If it was stable, because it's been in a state of emergency where fundamental human rights have been denied for decades, it's a stability that is akin to North Korea, achieved through brutal suppression of opposition.

rtron

He'll kick Isis's butts, and that's all that matters, USA USA.

Banjoxed

dissed doc wrote: »

Hopefully better than Obama, who ignited war across all of North Africa, destabilised the ME with Syria and triggered the mass invasian of millions of military age African and middle eastern males to Europe leading to massive increase in violent crime and rape.

So hopefully Donald doesn't just talk the talk. A weak western leader like Obama matched with weak European leadership like Merkel has been a disaster both at home in America and Europe, or outside of the West in the ME.

Strong western leadership? Trump and Boris?!

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so bloody terrifying.

MonkeyTennis

Thats some leap. Obama caused the war which caused rape.

Anyway back to reality. I think Trump will get the GOP nomination but be soundly defeated.

Wanderer78

Wall building be a good business to start up right about now, but you'd have to dress up as a Mexican for a while

Eugene Norman

josephryan1989 wrote: »

If he gives deranged orders patriotic generals would mutiny. They have also taken an oath to protect the US from all enemies both foreign and domestic. If a madman took control of the US and brought the world to the brink they would act and bring him down.

He's not the guy threatening Iran.

It's interesting. The US is at its peak as an imperial power and both trump and Saunders are reactions to those excesses. The other candidates are more extremist in terms of Iran ( including Clinton).

And, no the army tends to do what it's told - anything else would be a coup.

Eugene Norman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would that include the period where they killed tens of thousands of their own civilians in the 80s?

If it was stable, because it's been in a state of emergency where fundamental human rights have been denied for decades, it's a stability that is akin to North Korea, achieved through brutal suppression of opposition.

It's hardly North Korea. You've moved the goal posts from "not stable" to "stable because oppression".

Sam Kade

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I mean, we've all had a laugh about his campaign, but he's now seriously on the path to being the GOP nominee.

How the hell is he going to handle tense negotiations with Iran or Korea?

He'll be a puppet on a string just like his predecessors.

Eugene Norman

Shenshen wrote: »

Trump on one side, Putin on the other.

Just when you thought the world couldn't possibly get madder, this possibility crops up.

He's not threatening Putin, and Putins a sane enough actor on the world stage. Unlike all neo-con led us presidents.

everlast75

Shenshen wrote: »

Trump on one side, Putin on the other.

Just when you thought the world couldn't possibly get madder, this possibility crops up.

Although, it would make for a very entertaining new version of the "Two Tribes" video...

rtron wrote: »

He'll kick Isis's butts, and that's all that matters, USA USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

JackieBauer

Banjoxed wrote: »

Strong western leadership? Trump and Boris?!

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so bloody terrifying.

The Blonde Bomb-shells

valoren

It has me wondering about how another egotistical racist and bona fide charismatic nut job managed to become the head of state in the 1930's on a similar platform of hatred, intolerance, feigned persecution.

I'm sure a lot of German people were appalled at the National Socialist party coming into power.
I'm sure their disgust was justified when their civil liberties were eroded and any political opponents were eliminated systematically.

What was it Mark Twain said? History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme.

mynameis905

Deleted User wrote: »

Would that include the period where they killed tens of thousands of their own civilians in the 80s?

If it was stable, because it's been in a state of emergency where fundamental human rights have been denied for decades, it's a stability that is akin to North Korea, achieved through brutal suppression of opposition.

The massacres in the early 1980s were against the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood which had been carrying out terrorist attacks for years and started a major uprising in Hama. Assad's response was to surround the city and shell the living shít out of it for nearly a month. By the time he was done the MB was completely broken as a political force in Syria. Extreme, but it worked.

The problem with places like Syria is that there is only two types of government that actually work - either hardline Islamist goverments like Iran and Saudi Arabia or secular dictatorships/military rule. They just haven't progressed far enough socially for democracy to work. We keep projecting our liberal values onto places that just don't want or understand them.

Howard the Duck

If it ends up Trump against Clinton then i think Trump has a good chance, I don't think Clinton is very like-able and that is something that Americans use to choose their presidents. Of course i think he would be a disaster but probably not worse than George W , which would still be pretty bad

vienne86

I think Trump getting the republica nomination would be Clinton's best chance.

MonkeyTennis

Both Sanders and Clinton would beat Trump by some margin according to polls

Howard the Duck

vienne86 wrote: »

I think Trump getting the republica nomination would be Clinton's best chance.

I think Cruz would be. The man is like a life size pile of slime i think most undecided wouldn't vote for him. Whereas Trump has appeal because of his tv persona.

Eugene Norman

valoren wrote: »

It has me wondering about how another egotistical racist and bona fide charismatic nut job managed to become the head of state in the 1930's on a similar platform of hatred, intolerance, feigned persecution.

I'm sure a lot of German people were appalled at the National Socialist party coming into power.
I'm sure their disgust was justified when their civil liberties were eroded and any political opponents were eliminated systematically.

What was it Mark Twain said? History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme.

Ack. Godwined rubbish. Once again trump is less imperialistic than his competitors bar Sanders (who nevertheless did vote for military funds for Iraq although he opposed the original invasion).

The imperialist war party in the US don't like Trump.

KERSPLAT!

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