Under age sex

Grandeeod

I was reading about that football player with Sunderland and it got me thinking about all this under age sex going on. In Ireland the legal age of consent is 17. Yet we all know that there's loads of under age sex happening.

Both people could be under 17 and then there's the scenario where the lad is 18 and the girl may only be 16 or younger.:eek: It is happening. No denying that.

Seems like there's loads of statutory rape going on and has been for many many years. But it can only realistically become statutory rape if a complaint is made.

Would lowering the age of consent in Ireland to 16 years of age make a difference or have we accepted that 16 is ok, but 15 is a step too far?

Where does it start and end in a very sexualised world?

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bear1

It doesn't. We live in a world where nearly everything will have a sex tone about it.
Clothing ads for women, ads about deodorant etc.
Lowering the age wont make a difference other than removing a certain group from the loop.
You can't stop underage sex happening so what id suggest is a proper sex ed course for all in secondary school and I'd promote safe sex to the point where condoms are free.
If you cant stop it then get them to at least use their heads properly beforehand.


Ah response: Snigger "use their heads"

hatrickpatrick

Ireland's laws are blatantly sexist as well. The girl can't be considered a rapist in consensual underage sex, but the boy is.

Specialun

You were thinking about under age sex..hmmmm

Grandeeod

Specialun wrote: »

You were thinking about under age sex..hmmmm

Now you can fcuk off with that one, AH or not.

feargale

Specialun wrote: »

You were thinking about under age sex..hmmmm

What's the difference between rash judgement and mischief?

keeponhurling

feargale wrote: »

What's the difference between rash judgement and mischief?

Just enjoying the craic ?

One eyed Jack

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ireland's laws are blatantly sexist as well. The girl can't be considered a rapist in consensual underage sex, but the boy is.

Can you show me anywhere in Irish law that it says that a boy engaging in consensual underage sex is considered a rapist?

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One eyed Jack

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Then colloquially they may be deemed a rapist, but certainly they're not deemed a rapist automatically under Irish law. They could only be charged with sexual assault at the discretion of the DPP, and even then it's rare that the DPP in Ireland does so. I detest the kind of misleading scaremongering that gets put about in these threads as if the law is intended to criminalise young people. It's actually supposed to protect young people.

Grandeeod

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Then colloquially they may be deemed a rapist, but certainly they're not deemed a rapist automatically under Irish law. They could only be charged with sexual assault at the discretion of the DPP, and even then it's rare that the DPP in Ireland does so. I detest the kind of misleading scaremongering that gets put about in these threads as if the law is intended to criminalise young people. It's actually supposed to protect young people.

So 18 year boy has consensual sex with 16 year old girlfriend. Girls parents find out and make a complaint. What happens in law?

colossus-x

The Jury were shown pics of his groin , taken from his phone, as evidence.

One eyed Jack

Grandeeod wrote: »

So 18 year boy has consensual sex with 16 year old girlfriend. Girls parents find out and make a complaint. What happens in law?

I couldn't possibly tell you as there's not nearly enough information to go on in that small snippet. Any number of things could happen, it would depend upon a number of factors in fairness as each case would have it's own particular set of circumstances.

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One eyed Jack

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That's actually being introduced in the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015 -

New criminal offences to protect children against grooming;

•New measures to protect children from online predators;

•New & strengthened offences to tackle child pornography;

•Harassment Orders to protect victims of convicted sex offenders;

•New provisions to be introduced regarding evidence by victims, particularly children;

•Addressing a gender anomaly in the laws on incest;

•New offences addressing public indecency;

•Maintaining the age of consent to sexual activity at 17 years of age and to provide for a new “proximity of age” defence; and

•To criminalise the purchase of sexual services.


Source: http://justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Criminal_Law_(Sexual_Offences)_Bill_2015

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Mr FunnyFunny

Looking back on it, i didnt realise that having sex underage was such a potential minefield.

When I was fingering\fisting\felching the lovely carol outside the civil defence I would have taken some extra precautions

joey100

As part of Children's first they will hopefully soon be introducing a 2 year rule. Starting at 15 years old. It will still be assessed on a case to case basis and if one person is considered in having a lot more 'power' than the other it could still be treated as a crime.

What a lot of young people don't realise is that having these 'dick pics' and pictures of other naked young people on their phones they could be prosecuted for possessing child pornography, if they then pass these pictures onto others they can be charged with distributing Child pornography even though they themselves are considered a child. It's a strange one and I don't think anyone has been charged for it, yet.

BattleCorp

joey100 wrote: »

What a lot of young people don't realise is that having these 'dick pics' and pictures of other naked young people on their phones they could be prosecuted for possessing child pornography, if they then pass these pictures onto others they can be charged with distributing Child pornography even though they themselves are considered a child. It's a strange one and I don't think anyone has been charged for it, yet.

This guy was prosecuted for having an underage naked pic of himself on his own phone.

http://www.newstalk.com/Teenager-prosecuted-for-having-naked-images--of-himself--on-his-phone

darkpagandeath

The Male is always the Predator and treated as such in pretty much most western court systems.

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fleet_admiral

What about all these female teachers having sex with underage boys and walking away free?

222233

Grandeeod wrote: »

I was reading about that football player with Sunderland and it got me thinking about all this under age sex going on. In Ireland the legal age of consent is 17. Yet we all know that there's loads of under age sex happening.

Both people could be under 17 and then there's the scenario where the lad is 18 and the girl may only be 16 or younger.:eek: It is happening. No denying that.

Seems like there's loads of statutory rape going on and has been for many many years. But it can only realistically become statutory rape if a complaint is made.

Would lowering the age of consent in Ireland to 16 years of age make a difference or have we accepted that 16 is ok, but 15 is a step too far?

Where does it start and end in a very sexualised world?

It should be 16, the difference between 16 and 17 is so small in terms of maturity that it makes no sense to have a 17 year old prosecuted for sleeping with a 16 year old.

The law shouldn't even exist as far as I'm concerned, it poses no reason accept getting people into trouble even if the underage person consented.

You have 16 year olds getting into night clubs, is an 18 year old guy not justified in assuming this person is of legal age in cases like that ? Apparently not.

Grandeeod

222233 wrote: »

It should be 16, the difference between 16 and 17 is so small in terms of maturity that it makes no sense to have a 17 year old prosecuted for sleeping with a 16 year old.

The law shouldn't even exist as far as I'm concerned, it poses no reason accept getting people into trouble even if the underage person consented.

You have 16 year olds getting into night clubs, is an 18 year old guy not justified in assuming this person is of legal age in cases like that ? Apparently not.

But isn't a defense of not knowing the persons age allowed? Did this aspect of the law not cause chaos in 2006?

One eyed Jack

Grandeeod wrote: »

But isn't a defense of not knowing the persons age allowed? Did this aspect of the law not cause chaos in 2006?

Yep, but it was in place before 2006. It caused consternation then, and it's still causing problems now, and there seems to be no reference to addressing it in the upcoming bill, as well as providing a definition of consent in law -

In line with the need for a statutory defence of consent, it is necessary to reconsider the honest belief in consent defence (s. 2(2) Criminal Law (Rape) Act 1981). This provides that a man cannot be convicted of rape if he honestly believed that the complainant consented. This belief does not need to be based on reasonable grounds. This defence has been criticised for the negative message it sends (see Leahy, ‘When Honest is Not Good Enough: The Need for Reform of the Honest Belief Defence in Irish Rape Law’ (2013) 23(1) ICLJ 2). It is disappointing that the Bill again fails to follow best practice from other common law jurisdictions such as England and Wales and move towards a more objective construction of this defence which would require a defendant to have a reasonable belief in consent if this is to exculpate.

Source: http://humanrights.ie/uncategorized/the-criminal-law-sexual-offences-bill-2014-a-step-in-the-right-direction-but-not-far-enough/