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  • 22-02-2016 10:39am
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    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Just last night I came across a newspaper notice of a marriage of 1848 which took place at the home of the brides father, Michael Hope of Clondilever House [various spellings].
    I haven't come across this before and I'm wondering is there any likely reason why a marriage would have taken place at home rather than in a church.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I came across a case of this in Cork in the 1870s. Having consulted some other more experienced genealogists, the most likely reason was one of the parents of the bride, at whose home the wedding took place, was an invalid or very ill, and would be unable to go to a church. The bride herself being sick was also mooted but in this case, she lived another 50 odd years, so it was less likely.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    In my case the bride died in 1864 so perhaps she was unwell herself.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    Hermy wrote: »
    Just last night I came across a newspaper notice of a marriage of 1848 which took place at the home of the brides father, Michael Hope of Clondilever House [various spellings].
    I haven't come across this before and I'm wondering is there any likely reason why a marriage would have taken place at home rather than in a church.

    Depends what affiliation you are talking about. If CofE&I, then this would be unusual, and would have required special licenceto be valid. Less unusual the more affluent the parties. If Catholic, however, then this was the norm before some very ill-defined point in the first half of the 19th century. Hard to tell from the surviving records when the transition to having Catholic marriages performed in churches occurred.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    Wealthy family? Own church/oratory?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    My side were of Ballintry House, Co. Meath and the bride was of the aforementioned Clondilever House so presumably neither family were on the breadline. The Hope family are new to me so a bit more digging may provide a clue. The four children known to have been born to them were baptised in the catholic church in Dunboyne.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    Hermy wrote: »
    My side were of Ballintry House, Co. Meath and the bride was of the aforementioned Clondilever House so presumably neither family were on the breadline. The Hope family are new to me so a bit more digging may provide a clue. The four children known to have been born to them were baptised in the catholic church in Dunboyne.

    Just to provide some further detail on the legal situation. In 1848, the provisions of the 1844 Marriages (Ireland) Act applied. See
    http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/View?path=Browse/Legislation%20(by%20date)&active=yes&mno=4047
    - If CofE&I, then could be married out of church, but only by special license.
    - If Presbyterian, then marriage had to be in meeting house.
    - If Catholic, could be anywhere, anytime (the preceding situation, which was maintained).

    (It was Section 45 of the 1844 Marriage Act which again made it a felony for Catholic priests to perform mixed marriages).


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Prior to the synod of Thurles, c1849, it is probable that most RC marriages took place in the Bride's family home or some other house. However, we cannot quantify this as there was rarely a note on the register, and no civil record which would record the church.

    It was Paul, Cardinal Cullen, who required the RC clergy to perform marriages in a church, as a general rule.


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