Wheelchair spaces

The Raptor

I wasn't sure where to put this, in the motors section or accommation and property.

We live on a side road with houses. There is a sign with times where you cannot park on the road unless you live there.

Its a small road where one side of the road has parking and the others don't.

We live on the side of the road without parking. But we do have a space for a car on the property itself.

There are two in the house with cars, so one of them has the space. Its the same with our neighbour who has two cars.

The other car is parked on the side of the road with parking. They don't park blocking entrances. Is this ok to park like this?

We had a neighbour from the other side of the road come knocking at an awful hour, at 11pm demanding that the other car be removed because its a designated wheelchair space. There's no wheelchair sign on the road. Maybe they didn't get around to painting a sign on the road. This country can be slow.

Was he right to come knocking to demand the car to be removed without a wheelchair sign on the road? Is it ok to park so long as you're not blocking an entrance?

He came threatening with the guards which we didn't like. The guards wouldn't come all angry and ready to hit you. The guards probably wouldn't do anything about it anyway, but he thought he could get away using the threat of calling the guards. It costs nothing to be nice even if we were in the wrong. But were we in the wrong.

Or is he being a prick for the sake of it. Some people love to complain. He knew which house the car belonged to, so is he watching us and trying to cause us trouble.

njs030

I can't see how it's a wheelchair space without a sign. Does he have a wheelchair and want the space kept for him?
Personally I'd keep parking there as long as you're doing so within the rules and if he pulls the same stunt again tell him not to worry, you're calling the guards yourself to report his intimidating behaviour.

cormie

As long as it's a public road and you're not breaking any of the usual parking rules and it is definitely not a designated wheelchair space then I don't think you've done anything wrong legally. If the space is actually next to the house of somebody who is wheelchair bound and it makes their life much easier if they can park there and everyone on the street knows this and leaves it free for them, then that's fair enough, but certainly no need for them to come with a bad attitude. If they had of just explained it and asked you to move politely, then there'd probably be no thread.

stimpson

This is what the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997 has to say:

Disabled Persons' Parking Bays
44. (1) Subject to sub-article (2), where traffic sign number RRM 015 [Disabled Persons Parking Bay] is provided, a vehicle shall not be stopped or parked.

(2) Sub-article (1) shall not apply to a vehicle in which is displayed a disabled person's parking permit and which is parked for the convenience of the person to whom the permit was granted.

Rrm015 is the universal wheelchair symbol. If it's not there tell him to go ahead and ting the guards. Prepare your smug face for when they tell him where to go. Lots of people like to think they own the road in front of their house. They don't.

The Raptor

notjustsweet wrote: »

I can't see how it's a wheelchair space without a sign. Does he have a wheelchair and want the space kept for him?
Personally I'd keep parking there as long as you're doing so within the rules and if he pulls the same stunt again tell him not to worry, you're calling the guards yourself to report his intimidating behaviour.

He was well able to stand and give out, so I don't know where his wheelchair was. But it could be his wife or someone else in a wheelchair. I'm sure nobody minds leaving the space if its closer to his house and there's a wheelchair user there.

This was the first time he came knocking so a little explaination wouldn't have hurt instead of being so nasty.

The Raptor

I don't understand why he didn't just call the guards in the first place. It would have been quicker calling them around rather than going around knocking door to door looking for the owner of the car. Unless if he knew he was in the wrong but thought he would chance it anyway.

He was very threatening to me even though I told him, the car didn't belong to me, I didn't park there but it was someone else in the house. Even after telling him this, he was still threatening to call the guards. Why be so nasty.

Del2005

The Raptor wrote: »

I don't understand why he didn't just call the guards in the first place. It would have been quicker calling them around rather than going around knocking door to door looking for the owner of the car. Unless if he knew he was in the wrong but thought he would chance it anyway.

It can take the Gardai hours to respond to an active burglary, they aren't going to do a "blues and two's" respond to illegal parking on a side street, that's if it is even illegal parking.

The Raptor wrote: »

He was very threatening to me even though I told him, the car didn't belong to me, I didn't park there but it was someone else in the house. Even after telling him this, he was still threatening to call the guards. Why be so nasty.

Some people think that they have a right to the road outside their house, the only place that is true is in country areas where there's generally never an issue with parking, in housing estates it's first come gets the spot once you aren't blocking access.

Atlantic Dawn

Del2005 wrote: »

Some people think that they have a right to the road outside their house, the only place that is true is in country areas where there's generally never an issue with parking, in housing estates it's first come gets the spot once you aren't blocking access.

Yes and there's some who actually put cones out thinking the public road is somehow theirs.

savagethegoat

parking would be one of the possible deal breakers for me when househunting. If I didn't have my own guaranteed parking, I wouldn't live there.

jayobray

Unless it's a designated disabled parking space you can park there. I know of some people local to us that have painted their own space and threaten to call the guards if someone else parks there. I've told them to go ahead. Ironically enough, I have a disabled parking permit.

It must be remembered that these are allocated for various mobility issues, not just for people in wheelchairs, and many of these conditions may be hidden or not overly obvious. In my case it is not often obvious initially.

The Raptor

As I was leaving this morning, I took note of the car spaces on the road. As I said in my first post, I don't have a car so I never really noticed the spaces much.

Except today, I noticed there's no spaces at all. No painted lines even for normal car spaces. I walked up and down the street and there wasn't any one off disabled parking space either. So it looks like anyone can park on the road.

No one is going to know if a part of the road is just for them. Why is he being a prick about it?

seamus

The Raptor wrote: »

Why is he being a prick about it?

Because he wants to park there and is annoyed that the distance from his door to his car is 4m longer than it has to be.

savagethegoat

The Raptor wrote: »

As I was leaving this morning, I took note of the car spaces on the road. As I said in my first post, I don't have a car so I never really noticed the spaces much.

Except today, I noticed there's no spaces at all. No painted lines even for normal car spaces. I walked up and down the street and there wasn't any one off disabled parking space either. So it looks like anyone can park on the road.

No one is going to know if a part of the road is just for them. Why is he being a prick about it?

even if it were a marked disabled space, it wouldn't be just for him.anyone with a badge could park there

freddieot

Had an issue like this about 25 years ago in Ballyfermot.

Was visiting a friend and one nasty neighbour was ranting at me to move from outside his house. Not blocking his drive you understand just about 4 feet of his kerb space was being used. Most of the car was outside my friends house.

Pxxck rang the cops who arrived about 20 minutes later.
Cop explained that he dident own the whole road and as I was nowhere near blocking his drive basically 'f**k off and stop wasting their time.

He then turned his attention to a Toyota Cilica parked behind me at the guys house and asked who that belonged to. PxxCk says 'that one is not a problem at all Guard, that's the son's car.

Cop wrote a ticket on the spot because it had two wheels on the footpath - Cop explained they dident own the footpath either.

I still chuckle when think about it, chuckling now

roverrules

The Raptor wrote: »

I wasn't sure where to put this, in the motors section or accommation and property.

We live on a side road with houses. There is a sign with times where you cannot park on the road unless you live there
Its a small road where one side of the road has parking and the others don't.

We live on the side of the road without parking. But we do have a space for a car on the property itself.

There are two in the house with cars, so one of them has the space. Its the same with our neighbour who has two cars.

The other car is parked on the side of the road with parking. They don't park blocking entrances. Is this ok to park like this?(snipped)

Do you mean that to park on the parking side at certain times you need a residents permit? Do your guests make a habit of parking there during the restricted hours, even though they aren't residents?

The Raptor

roverrules wrote: »

Do you mean that to park on the parking side at certain times you need a residents permit? Do your guests make a habit of parking there during the restricted hours, even though they aren't residents?

I didn't mention guests or visitors. Two housemates has cars, that makes them residents.

The Raptor

So the neighbour live across the road from us. I didn't know where he lived but I saw the same man go into his house. I saw him park his car half on the path and half on the road. I don't think they paint half a disabled sign on the path.

He caused us trouble and he didn't have to.

roverrules

The Raptor wrote: »

I didn't mention guests or visitors. Two housemates has cars, that makes them residents.

Question still stands though, are you required to have a residents permit during the restricted hours?, do you or your housemates have one? If you require one, do you or your housemates park during the operational hours on the opposite side?

The Raptor

roverrules wrote: »

Question still stands though, are you required to have a residents permit during the restricted hours?, do you or your housemates have one? If you require one, do you or your housemates park during the operational hours on the opposite side?

No permit required

Would this make a difference?

roverrules

The Raptor wrote: »

No permit required

Would this make a difference?

It would, as resident permit are normally charged for. I don't get this bit then.

There is a sign with times where you cannot park on the road unless you live there.

If there are no permits, how do they know you're a resident?

njs030

The Raptor wrote: »

No permit required

Would this make a difference?

Not in relation to a disabled space which is what you posted about.