New Kia Sportage?

curiousb

We have owned a lot of cars over the years but have never bought new. Plugging all the numbers into a spreadsheet, it looks like buying a new car with PCP won't work out any more than we are spending per month at the moment. So...

top of the list is the Kia Sportage (new model) EX with sunroof. Total price on the road is €31,650. We are trading in a 2006 Subaru Outback (2.5l petrol) and have been offered €4,350 for it, which is a good price.

But is it worth going around a couple of Kia dealers to try to get a better deal? The dealer we are dealing with says the otr price is fixed but he has improved the trade in value from initially €3,850 to €4,000 and now to €4,350.

My gut feeling is we won't really do much better than this but what do you think?

I am definitely getting a bit worn out going from dealer to dealer when we have been checking out other brands. I'd like to get this sorted quickly now!

Oh, and we have done our homework on PCP and it will work out fine for us as long as there isn't a collapse in 2nd hand car values on three years time!

colm_mcm

Have a look at the Hyundai Tucson as well as they are doing trade in bonuses on them.

bazz26

Of course shop around different Kia dealers, until you do then you have no base of reference whether you are getting the best cost to change price or not. Don't be afraid to buy from a dealer at the opposite end of the country either if the price difference is big enough. Warranty work and servicing can still be done by your nearest main dealer even if you don't buy from them.

vistaphotos

curiousb wrote: »

The dealer we are dealing with says the otr price is fixed

OTR may be fixed for him but I've found that "delivery charges" and price being charged for metallic paint vary between dealers so definitely worth checking around as has been said, at least then you might get some idea whether you're getting the best possible deal. Tucson worth a look too, €4k scrappage until Feb 29 as Colm mentioned.

sillysocks

Definitely price the trade in with other garages - even on same car. I'm picking up a new Tucson next week, originally was offere 4K trade in from Hyundai near the house, about an hour up the road we ended up getting 6,300 trade in! Big difference, and for buying the same car from both.

curiousb

Thanks for the replies, we will certainly check the other dealers now!

We have looked at the Tuscon and it is a lovely car, but from memory it cost a bit more than the Sportage and has a higher interest rate on the repayments.

colm_mcm

dunmo if he are flogging of the last of the tiguans before the new one comes out. seat are bringing out their version of the new tiguan in September called the alteca

AMKC

curiousb wrote: »

Thanks for the replies, we will certainly check the other dealers now!

We have looked at the Tuscon and it is a lovely car, but from memory it cost a bit more than the Sportage and has a higher interest rate on the repayments.

Your right about the Tucson costing more and the Kia is a much nicer car inside anyway.

curiousb

We have narrowed it down to (or expanded it to...) the 161 Sportage and a 1-2 year old Subaru Forester.

We have had 2 Subaru's and really like them and it could be worth going back a year or two to get the build quality and reliability of the Subaru. We'd also look to keep it more long term than the Sportage.

Nice to have decisions like these to make

AMKC

If you are happy buying second hand and really like your Suburu,s then go for another Forester. You also then will not have to worry about losing a few grand as soon as your car leaves the forecourt plus it will have been well run in as well so that another thing you would not have to worry about.

colm_mcm

i have heard bad things about the subaru boxer diesels and their tendancy to self destruct.
i know that the early diesels from around 08 had problems with conrods and crank shafts. don't know if they addressed it but they stopped selling impress diesels in favour of 1.5 patrols which doesn't inspire confidence.

JohnBoy26

curiousb wrote: »

We have narrowed it down to (or expanded it to...) the 161 Sportage and a 1-2 year old Subaru Forester.

We have had 2 Subaru's and really like them and it could be worth going back a year or two to get the build quality and reliability of the Subaru. We'd also look to keep it more long term than the Sportage.

Nice to have decisions like these to make

The sportage is the better built machine. It will be more reliable too. Those diesel boxer engines in the Subaru's are far from bullet proof.

Casati

sillysocks wrote: »

Definitely price the trade in with other garages - even on same car. I'm picking up a new Tucson next week, originally was offere 4K trade in from Hyundai near the house, about an hour up the road we ended up getting 6,300 trade in! Big difference, and for buying the same car from both.

Do you mind saying what car you were trading in? I tried trading in a car that is worth about 2500 in the trade and was offered the 4000 trade-in but not a penny more

sillysocks

An 07 Corolla. 170k km on it. When we tried negotiating price it was always the value of the trade in that went up rather than any actual discount on the price of the car.

VincePP

Maybe sell your car through auctions and haggle for a straight deal price.

For a sorento platinum ex (2 wheel drive) I was immediately offered 37500k cash price on a 40995 list, so about 8% discount.

If you apply similar discount to the sportage, then the cash price will be about 29k.

The Sportage is in short supply at present, but large new delivery is due in Dublin at end of March, so supply wo';t be an issue then.

At auction, I reckon you'll get about €2500-€3,000 for the subaru.

2500 + 2650 = €5150 - about €800 over your trade in.

Have a look also at the new Seat Ateca due out very soon - even suggesting you are going to wait to see the ateca may encourage a better price.

and finally, if buying a new car, try buying near the end of a quarter - dealers get rebates based on exceeding targets, so an extra sale may be worth a lot more that what that single sale brings to them.

grogi

VincePP wrote: »

Maybe sell your car through auctions and haggle for a straight deal price.

For a sorento platinum ex (2 wheel drive) I was immediately offered 37500k cash price on a 40995 list, so about 8% discount.

If you apply similar discount to the sportage, then the cash price will be about 29k.

The Sportage is in short supply at present, but large new delivery is due in Dublin at end of March, so supply wo';t be an issue then.

Supply/Demand laws apply...

No way one would get a discount like that on a car that is in short supply.

paulmurphyvec

Had a kia sportage petrol for years, best car I ever had

VincePP

grogi wrote: »

Supply/Demand laws apply...

No way one would get a discount like that on a car that is in short supply.

New car prices are priced to allow for discount / inflated "trade-in" - always have, always will be.

Short supply is temporary and with so many options in the space and it not being a "desireable" car (aka the Evoque when it came out) the discount is available.

If you cannot get circa 7%-8% off the list price of a new car, then you are not good at haggling.