JobBridge Farming positions

liam7831

As per the IFJ Dealers quotes, there is a few farmers looking for a few interns, make up your own mind......

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=sjDArutve/3w53BLzNXooesjqRrGoX95L6zX310XQ+ZkPrjRXZfgnq9aCED/CBaEB7/EYciwt/RC+LOlNxs8UD9LAjj7M2Lo3u/cRXi0yliyP7RK7hJYFN5Gsp8+RANXSYBeOqEYtCqemWWEJdAziz9+vtGCYaMQMuy5jzXVd0sfV26ZiZV1AtDLuiMMZ4YdvvqI0PRMQpyMQ//ulCkhW+l4iceCn7/nTqJSqGeecF0WlrhRwEk5eHgVEeU55JZ3FjlbfsY6x8Zr8mG5jXdwAq4ciytM00z1ozmuvCrC6AlDERc1/IhNXmPFQtPl5ya2CldENQJlbk+Uzqd7NL6es1Vlm8iAv1ZYmvYr2+TE/GXv3aYkmTeKyeCYnhpNcc2SxquW3zGDMgiuEefP3h02bm5cFTK0QBlN

raypallas

Its a scam of a scheme no matter what industry its been used in.

Capercaillie

Legalised slavery. There are even jobbridge veterinary jobs.

ganmo

The idea behind the scheme was good...poorly executed.
Large organisations should never of been let use it. But the scheme is there why not use it

kerryjack

If its there why not use it its better than a lad sitting in his arse at home he might lern something I think personally its great experience for anyone to spend some time on a farm and see how things are done how food is produced and how farmers care for there animals

liam7831

I think the person getting the experience should be paying the farmer €50 per week instead of the opposite

kerryjack

liam7831 wrote: »

I think the person getting the experience should be paying the farmer €50 per week instead of the opposite

I was waiting for someone to say that

st1979

All down to employer attitude whether its good or not. Plenty on here complain about the lack of decent workers but they want lads with experience. How can a non farming lad get experience who is sitting on the dole. One of the best Herdsman around here is from the town. I had a good guy work for me. Never work on farm before and enjoyed it. Would never of considered it before. And 5 years later stills works on farms.
This scheme is open to abuse but some good may come of it.

Capercaillie

ganmo wrote: »

The idea behind the scheme was good...poorly executed.
Large organisations should never of been let use it. But the scheme is there why not use it

For example if you have people doing farm relief, it pushes them out of market. They are already on low money. You can have farmers getting somebody on jobbridge and that pushes out your farm relief worker. The State (taxpayers) pays and the farmer who should be paying in the beginning gets free labour.

Base price

Capercaillie wrote: »

Legalised slavery. There are even jobbridge veterinary jobs.

I heard that too recently from our vet who reckons that it is total exploitation. There is a big difference from gaining paid experience versus a jobbridge scheme.

liam7831

Base price wrote: »

I heard that too recently from our vet who reckons that it is total exploitation. There is a big difference from gaining paid experience versus a jobbridge scheme.

Exactly, lets see what "experience" you would get, cleaning ****e outta houses or milking cows or fencing its not exactly 4 year degree territory, its just stingy fuc**rs riding poor unemployed people who are desperate for anything hoping it will lead to something else, which most of the time it does not as they just wanna get someone else to ride after the 9 months are up.

Base price

kerryjack wrote: »

If its there why not use it its better than a lad sitting in his arse at home he might lern something I think personally its great experience for anyone to spend some time on a farm and see how things are done how food is produced and how farmers care for there animals

Eh, so from your above post you conclude that everyone who is unemployed are townies who wouldn't know what a burdizzo was if it jumped up and bit their dangly bits :rolleyes:

kerryjack

I don't know much about these schemes I persume there is no 1 forced to go on these and no 1 standing over you to make sure you kill yourself working if you get say 250 a week if you done a desent 20 hours work I am sure both parties would be happy there

Base price

kerryjack wrote: »

I don't know much about these schemes I persume there is no 1 forced to go on these and no 1 standing over you to make sure you kill yourself working if you get say 250 a week if you done a desent 20 hours work I am sure both parties would be happy there

Exploitation and slave labour is what this scheme is. IMO it was devised by an asshole to manipulate unemployment figures.

Reggie.

Base price wrote: »

Exploitation and slave labour is what this scheme is. IMO it was devised by an asshole to manipulate unemployment figures.

+1

_Brian

Base price wrote: »

Exploitation and slave labour is what this scheme is. IMO it was devised by an asshole to manipulate unemployment figures.

There was substantial lobbying from IBEC for some such scheme on the back of min wage increases, a way of balancing out the cost of the increases..

Its been terribly abused by many institutions and is a means of displacing proper fulltime jobs from the low end of the market.

I'm all for supporting companies who hire someone off the long term unemployed list, pay them a wage and teach them a skill, but having people go out and essentially be slaves is not where we should be aiming to be.

Del2005

kerryjack wrote: »

I don't know much about these schemes I persume there is no 1 forced to go on these and no 1 standing over you to make sure you kill yourself working if you get say 250 a week if you done a desent 20 hours work I am sure both parties would be happy there

You loose the dole if you don't go. No idea how people are picked but the only person I know of wasn't thought anything and the job was basically filing, which had zero relevance to their qualifications or the job that they eventually got.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

There was substantial lobbying from IBEC for some such scheme on the back of min wage increases, a way of balancing out the cost of the increases..

Its been terribly abused by many institutions and is a means of displacing proper fulltime jobs from the low end of the market.

I'm all for supporting companies who hire someone off the long term unemployed list, pay them a wage and teach them a skill, but having people go out and essentially be slaves is not where we should be aiming to be.

I may be wrong he but my understanding of the scheme is that some one is supposed to be hired into a full time position at the end of the 6 months and the scheme not to be used as a consistent supply of cheap labour every 6 months

893bet

It has its merits. For certain semi skilled roles.

For unskilled roles (relatively speaking) it shouldn't be allowed e.g security, cleaning etc.

_Brian

Reggie. wrote: »

I may be wrong he but my understanding of the scheme is that some one is supposed to be hired into a full time position at the end of the 6 months and the scheme not to be used as a consistent supply of cheap labour every 6 months

But that's not how it works on the ground. Companies roll them over for a continuation of cheap labour. Disgusting practice. Government departments used them even though there was a hiring embargo and so impossible for them to be hired at the end.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

But that's not how it works on the ground. Companies roll them over for a continuation of cheap labour. Disgusting practice. Government departments used them even though there was a hiring embargo and so impossible for them to be hired at the end.

Prime example was the local cinema a few years ago. All staff was fired and all rehired under jobsbridge then. It would sicken ya.

barnaman

Can get good experience out of it that can lead to a decent job etc. Historically you paid someone to teach you a trade and thats not long gone. Was looking at FWI ads looking for farm mangers salary 54,000 to 61,000 (sterling) per year thats up to 90,000 (euro) a year. saw a lad in meath looking for a lad last month in FWI who had a 200 cow herd and was providing accomodation. Even at mimimum wage he will be paying 400 a week plus your accomodation. He just wanted a lad expiernced with farm work. #cannot see why an Irish lad cannot do that work instead will prob an Eastern European lad who will.

Granted if no training at all like cinema then pointless. Reality is though min wage now too high for alot of these jobs.

Mehaffey1

barnaman wrote: »

Can get good experience out of it that can lead to a decent job etc. Historically you paid someone to teach you a trade and thats not long gone. Was looking at FWI ads looking for farm mangers salary 54,000 to 61,000 (sterling) per year thats up to 90,000 (euro) a year. saw a lad in meath looking for a lad last month in FWI who had a 200 cow herd and was providing accomodation. Even at mimimum wage he will be paying 400 a week plus your accomodation. He just wanted a lad expiernced with farm work. #cannot see why an Irish lad cannot do that work instead will prob an Eastern European lad who will.

Granted if no training at all like cinema then pointless. Reality is though min wage now too high for alot of these jobs.

I'd do it. Looking at jobs in ag in Ireland at the moment and would be over the moon with accommodation and enough money for food and to run/insure my cheapy car.

barnaman

The ad is also on the IFJ and its only 5 days old there. Just google meath dairy farm job. I would link it but think against boards rules on adverts?

barnaman

was in th FWI on 22 Jan and guessing placed in the Journal this week

Mehaffey1

barnaman wrote: »

The ad is also on the IFJ and its only 5 days old there. Just google meath dairy farm job. I would link it but think against boards rules on adverts?

Found it there. Have some reservations since I'm from the north and would have to re reg plus insure the car etc if I'd be living in Meath. Plus couldn't start till the end of May looks likely.

In terms of this jobbridge issue if there's not very many placements on farms then it's not really a scandal?

trixi2011

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

Found it there. Have some reservations since I'm from the north and would have to re reg plus insure the car etc if I'd be living in Meath. Plus couldn't start till the end of May looks likely.

In terms of this jobbridge issue if there's not very many placements on farms then it's not really a scandal?

Plenty of jobs in dairy across the water in scotland and northern england if your looking wouldnt have to rereg the car then

newacc2015

Base price wrote: »

Exploitation and slave labour is what this scheme is. IMO it was devised by an asshole to manipulate unemployment figures.

In the US, internships are critical to finding a decent job. If you are in a college course. It is a given that you spend a summer interning. You get real world skills and can show an employer you have what it takes to work in a workplace.

If you are unemployed for more than 6 months. The chances of getting a job gradually diminish. Employer see you as deskilled. After about 6 months,even if you have a masters in the field. An employer will see you as less skilled than someone with little experience in the field but is still working. There is countless surveys to back this up

This is an extreme. But highlights my point. Imagine if you went into surgery tomorrow and the Doctor said "God, Im so nervous. I havent done a surgery in 2 years". Would you say Doc no worries. I know you are just as skilled as 2 years ago? No. Jobbridge was to reskill, deskilled workers to get them back into the workplace

If they wanted to message unemployment figures. They could put them on disablilty like half of Europe is currently doing.

snickerpuss

newacc2015 wrote: »

In the US, internships are critical to finding a decent job. If you are in a college course. It is a given that you spend a summer interning. You get real world skills and can show an employer you have what it takes to work in a workplace.

Of course that's only possible if you are wealthy and can afford not to earn any money or have no outgoings whatsoever (transport, rent, bills, car)

barnaman

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

barnaman wrote: »

The ad is also on the IFJ and its only 5 days old there. Just google meath dairy farm job. I would link it but think against boards rules on adverts?

Found it there. Have some reservations since I'm from the north and would have to re reg plus insure the car etc if I'd be living in Meath. Plus couldn't start till the end of May looks likely.

In terms of this jobbridge issue if there's not very many placements on farms then it's not really a scandal?

Add your reply here.
Plenty work about lad down south and definitlley loads in England. Saw another new ad for a 49 hours 5 days a week with free 3 bed flat on a 1000 cow farm in Cork working in spots like that get you work anywhere. Prob do better than an Arts degree!

Sweetemotion

newacc2015 wrote: »

In the US, internships are critical to finding a decent job. If you are in a college course. It is a given that you spend a summer interning. You get real world skills and can show an employer you have what it takes to work in a workplace.

If you are unemployed for more than 6 months. The chances of getting a job gradually diminish. Employer see you as deskilled. After about 6 months,even if you have a masters in the field. An employer will see you as less skilled than someone with little experience in the field but is still working. There is countless surveys to back this up

This is an extreme. But highlights my point. Imagine if you went into surgery tomorrow and the Doctor said "God, Im so nervous. I havent done a surgery in 2 years". Would you say Doc no worries. I know you are just as skilled as 2 years ago? No. Jobbridge was to reskill, deskilled workers to get them back into the workplace

If they wanted to message unemployment figures. They could put them on disablilty like half of Europe is currently doing.

See. That's why it's abused, people like you.

Mehaffey1

barnaman wrote: »

Add your reply here.
Plenty work about lad down south and definitlley loads in England. Saw another new ad for a 49 hours 5 days a week with free 3 bed flat on a 1000 cow farm in Cork working in spots like that get you work anywhere. Prob do better than an Arts degree!

Would love anything like that. Just no confidence in the job scene as that's why I left but in saying that I barely looked at ag job before. Yet to see any kind of ad for Co.Armagh, driving a bit of distance won't faze me much as NZ teaches ya about how close most places are at home.

barnaman

Whats gas if you look at 4 xtrahands where that job is posted in other regions just below is a similar type job put in New Zealand and its a "paid internship" with an annual salary of 3750 sterling so thats alot less thand the jobshare! remember jobshare is your dole plus 50 euros.

barnaman

CAFRE have an assistant farm manager job on a 600 cow farm in Waringstown

Grueller

What iseant by accommodation though? A lad about here is offering acc plus 650 per week.

Delve deeper though and its:
Every third sunday off
hours from 6 to 6
45 mins for dinner and 30 for 10 o clock tea.

Take out tax usc etc
its a mobile home in the middle of the yard. Works out under €6.50 per hour in the hand.
Would any of ye honesty like to see your children at it? I wouldn't like to see mine at it anyway.

djmc

I was down in Cork city at christmas and walked past a homeless guy with a Shepard dog around my own age ready to sleep in a doorway for the night with a few old blanket's while my 7 year old daughter staring at this with her mouth wide open.
I couldn't help thinking about the inequality in this country and how well off I actually am even if I don't have enough money for things like health insurance or to upgrade the old car.
I thought that guy would be better off sleeping in an old mobile l have back the yard and learning to milk cows and looking after animals which might get him a job somewhere else.
The thing that stopped me is not knowing him or his history having a claim against me if anything happened while on my property or being accused of slavery.
There are a lot of good people homeless sleeping on the streets through no fault of their own that should be given a chance and they should get more than 50 euro a week for trying to upskill and come off the dole.
The idea behind jobs bridge is a good one but they need to actually learn skills that will get them a job not liking **** or sweeping floors.

rsole1

kerryjack wrote: »

I don't know much about these schemes I persume there is no 1 forced to go on these and no 1 standing over you to make sure you kill yourself working if you get say 250 a week if you done a desent 20 hours work I am sure both parties would be happy there

40 hours

Capercaillie

Reggie. wrote: »

Prime example was the local cinema a few years ago. All staff was fired and all rehired under jobsbridge then. It would sicken ya.

That's feckin disgusting.

rsole1

Sweetemotion wrote: »

newacc2015 wrote: »

In the US, internships are critical to finding a decent job. If you are in a college course. It is a given that you spend a summer interning. You get real world skills and can show an employer you have what it takes to work in a workplace.

If you are unemployed for more than 6 months. The chances of getting a job gradually diminish. Employer see you as deskilled. After about 6 months,even if you have a masters in the field. An employer will see you as less skilled than someone with little experience in the field but is still working. There is countless surveys to back this up

This is an extreme. But highlights my point. Imagine if you went into surgery tomorrow and the Doctor said "God, Im so nervous. I havent done a surgery in 2 years". Would you say Doc no worries. I know you are just as skilled as 2 years ago? No. Jobbridge was to reskill, deskilled workers to get them back into the workplace

If they wanted to message unemployment figures. They could put them on disablilty like half of Europe is currently doing.

See. That's why it's abused, people like you.

How do I get on disability?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Grueller wrote: »

What iseant by accommodation though? A lad about here is offering acc plus 650 per week.

Delve deeper though and its:
Every third sunday off
hours from 6 to 6
45 mins for dinner and 30 for 10 o clock tea.

Take out tax usc etc
its a mobile home in the middle of the yard. Works out under €6.50 per hour in the hand.
Would any of ye honesty like to see your children at it? I wouldn't like to see mine at it anyway.

I did similar hours for £30 a week in the 80s.

The experience was invaluable to me.

I would have no issue with my children doing it.

Are they not better off working for pay than sitting on their ass playing video games all day or getting drunk and drugged up out of boredom?