Turbary Rights - Valuation

Triapin

I am trying to get a valuation on turbary rights to an piece of bog? Does anyone know any source I could check on the matter or have any experience in the area?

djmc

I have never heard of them being sold or traded
But l don't think they would be worth much as they are just the right to cut turf and the land owner still has rights to the land and can even stop someone with turbury rights cutting if they are causing damage to bog.
To buy bog outright would probably be a few hundred an acre.

moll3

think they go for 3k an acre for high bog

barnaman

Turbary rights not normally tradable. 99% of them given by Land Commission and attach as a right to a residence on farm bought with LC help or given by the LC. They cannot be seperated from the residence. Check your title deeds or grant if they are on unregistered land.

Triapin

Thanks guys...the turbray rights came with land from the LC. A lot of neighbours have similar plots with rights to cut turf.

The situation is that the council are putting a road through it. The landowner has been bought out and now the turbary owners are to be compensated.

I am just wondering what a fair price is!!..have checked around but can't find anything online.

djmc

I would think under the circumstances they should offer similar bog elsewhere or money
Thats what was on offer to lads who were forced to stop cutting on SAC protected raised bogs were offered.
I think it was something around 3000 euro off the top of my head if they chosen money over bog somewhere else.
Ask first what's on offer and negotiate from there.

Triapin

Thanks djmc...no other bog is being offered and tbh is not wanted.

They have offered 10k for roughly an acre...their offer doesn't really make sense in light of the 3k price. I wonder how they arrived at their 10k.

thanks for the help!

Capercaillie

Triapin wrote: »

Thanks djmc...no other bog is being offered and tbh is not wanted.

They have offered 10k for roughly an acre...their offer doesn't really make sense in light of the 3k price. I wonder how they arrived at their 10k.

thanks for the help!

turfcutters on Barroughter/Clonmoylan SAC bogs want 200,000 euros per acre if State want to stop them cutting.

djmc

That's a good price for the very in fairness.
I suppose they are offering a good price so lads will take it and that can buy with compulsory purchase order if they need to.
There might not be much land on a turf bank but its a very good price if you're sure its not just for the landowner.

Capercaillie

djmc wrote: »

That's a good price for the very in fairness.
I suppose they are offering a good price so lads will take it and that can buy with compulsory purchase order if they need to.
There might not be much land on a turf bank but its a very good price if you're sure its not just for the landowner.

sorry djmc that's what the turfcutters want. i didn't phrase it great.

djmc

I was referring to the 10k an acre he was offered
If there was an offer of 200000 an acre on offer I'd sell up myself and retire to spain.

Good loser

djmc wrote: »

I was referring to the 10k an acre he was offered
If there was an offer of 200000 an acre on offer I'd sell up myself and retire to spain.

What an absurd valuation?

djmc

Good loser wrote: »

What an absurd valuation?

It's not even a valuation more of a statement.
Their not going to stop cutting turf no matter what they are offered

eamon11

barnaman wrote: »

Turbary rights not normally tradable. 99% of them given by Land Commission and attach as a right to a residence on farm bought with LC help or given by the LC. They cannot be seperated from the residence. Check your title deeds or grant if they are on unregistered land.

I have recently purchased an old residence. Former owners were there since land commission days. There were turbary rights with the house. However the owners refused to allow me use of bog as they have it rented out to someone else. Effectively they retain control of the bog that was originally with the house.

You say they they cannot be separated from residence?

Aravo

OP seemingly had turbary rights and a council wanted to build road and had compensated the landowners. Sounds like a road CPO. So value there depends on whether council would be buying only the turbary within the cpo or the OP's entire turbary right. Otherwise would access issues arise with the new road that were not there before. A lot would say that turbary rights are associated with the chimney of a house. The fact that another poster bought a house, were the turbary rights included in the agreement. It's a very grey area, solicitors would be making hay getting nowhere on it.

148multi

eamon11 wrote: »

I have recently purchased an old residence. Former owners were there since land commission days. There were turbary rights with the house. However the owners refused to allow me use of bog as they have it rented out to someone else. Effectively they retain control of the bog that was originally with the house.

You say they they cannot be separated from residence?

Where are the (former owners) living now.

eamon11

thanks for reply.

former owners living miles away and no interest in bog or land. Land is planted by coillte and he lives off this income and work.

148multi

eamon11 wrote: »

thanks for reply.

former owners living miles away and no interest in bog or land. Land is planted by coillte and he lives off this income and work.[/quote

There was a similar situation near me, it turned out that the turbary rights moved with the former owners to their new dwelling (chimney), and who ever inherits or owns the last house they live in before they pass on, which has a chimney, gets the turbary rights.

eamon11

in my case, former owner does not own house now, but is renting in city. Will never own a house again.

eamon11

double post

eamon11

148multi wrote: »

eamon11 wrote: »

thanks for reply.

former owners living miles away and no interest in bog or land. Land is planted by coillte and he lives off this income and work.[/quote

There was a similar situation near me, it turned out that the turbary rights moved with the former owners to their new dwelling (chimney), and who ever inherits or owns the last house they live in before they pass on, which has a chimney, gets the turbary rights.

I believe this can be true if another house is constructed on the land. If there is no other house however the I think rights remain with original house.

gambit83

Triapin wrote: »

Thanks djmc...no other bog is being offered and tbh is not wanted.

They have offered 10k for roughly an acre...their offer doesn't really make sense in light of the 3k price. I wonder how they arrived at their 10k.

thanks for the help!

Just wondering how this ended up?

148multi

gambit83 wrote: »

Just wondering how this ended up?

I know 200,000. Seems a colossal valuation, but BNM value an acer of high bog at 250,000. Once developed.

Aravo

148multi wrote:

I know 200,000. Seems a colossal valuation, but BNM value an acer of high bog at 250,000. Once developed.

Looking for something is one thing and getting it is another thing.

I think e1,500 was offered for 15yrs as part of stopping turf cutting. In op's case it was never clear if all the turbary was being acquired or only part of it leaving an area still available for cutting.

gambit83

148multi wrote: »

I know 200,000. Seems a colossal valuation, but BNM value an acer of high bog at 250,000. Once developed.

250k once developed - as in having a wind turbine on the acre?

148multi

gambit83 wrote: »

250k once developed - as in having a wind turbine on the acre?

No, high bog drained in plot format.