Fine Gael politicians promising broadband heaven, should we believe them?

celtic_oz

I've read with interest the plans for the NBS and how the state will intervene for EVERYONE who can't get high speed broadband by 2020.

Looking at the map there seems to be an awful lot of amber to cover in 4 years

Should we believe them ? Or is this apolitical and it doesn't matter who we vote for in this matter ?

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Within the next Dáil term, Fine Gael guarantees the delivery of next-generation broadband to every household and business in the country. No town, village or parish, will be left behind under the National Broadband Plan, which will ensure that 85% of premises in Ireland will have access to high speed broadband by 2018, with 100% access by 2020.

ED E

Are you actually drinking the kool aid...........

Nollog

Please not the NBS

But to answer your question; No, we shouldn't.

celtic_oz

Fianna Fails manifesto :

""(iii) Secure Universal Fibre to the home broadband across Ireland All communities in Ireland need rapid high speed broadband access. It is vital for rural sustainability that homes and businesses join the global digital community. There have been too many commitments left unfilled by Fine Gael and Labour. Broadband can help open up a global market for rural tourism and small local producers. Ad hoc approaches must be replaced with a bold, ambitious long term plan that will place Ireland at the 25 forefront of the IT revolution. Rolling out Fibre to the Home broadband (FTTH) will be a future proofed policy that will equip Ireland with an infrastructure capable of competing in the global economy. FTTH is fibre optic cable capable of delivering download speeds of up to 1 Gigabit per second (Gbps) directly to households and businesses. - We will support the roll out of fibre optic broadband directly to all premises in the state through commercial operators and direct state intervention, backed by an additional €75m in funding to accelerate roll out."

amdaley28

I see its the silly season again.

celtic_oz

Irish Times compares the parties here : http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/broadband-access-political-promises-assessed-1.2541496

rob808

celtic_oz wrote: »

Irish Times compares the parties here : http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/broadband-access-political-promises-assessed-1.2541496

who ever wins this election it be really which isp or ISPs they pick will decide if NBP a success or failure.

jg3114

lol everyone on here is so ****ing negative... Ive never received a positive response on anything... you can call it "being realistic" or "ive been around the block" But at the end of they day with a negative outlook going into everything how does anyone expect to ever receive a positive outcome to anything in life.

Yes the NBP will happen the wheels are firmly set in motion EIR have already rolled it out in over a dozen towns one of which I live in and enjoy a nice 950 down 980 up with 2ms ping.. Its a real thing www. speedtest .net/my-result/5111956988 (had to put a space because I dont have 25 posts) Not sure why it says I have sky but thats the least of my worries... SIRO is also rolling it out in my town right now half it is available with Vodafone and is in I believe 50 towns in phase one

What I am referring to is part of the commercial roll out so its got "nothing" to do with the NBP except that both services planned have 1gbps speeds however my point is the commercial part of this roll out is already underway and a real thing the government have already sunk millions into this plan and if they just pulled out the backlash would ruin the party. look how pissed people got over the water charges and that only cost the state 30 million mere 10% of this plan even at the lowest cost estimation of the plan.

Obviously everyone has their own opinion but if you look into the plan instead of just being sat there being negative all day you would find out that the commercial plan alone will cover 90% of homes with fiber and 30% with FTTH its just 10% of homes the government is paying for... not that big a % even if it did fail.. EIR and SIRO are a much bigger player than the government in this roll out and like I say I am currently in receipt of the 1gbps service and cant complain.

celtic_oz

not being negative. Being cautious, from the same article :

"When the plans were unveiled back in 2012, then-minister for communications Pat Rabbitte outlined targets that could only be described as ambitious: speeds of 70-100Mbps to at least 50 per cent of the population, 40Mbps to a further 20 per cent and a minimum of 30Mbps available to everyone – all within the lifetime of the Government."

If this is true then it was a LIE. No ?

My question remains does it make a difference which party we vote for with regards to rural broadband.

jg3114

celtic_oz wrote: »

not being negative. Being cautious, from the same article :

"When the plans were unveiled back in 2012, then-minister for communications Pat Rabbitte outlined targets that could only be described as ambitious: speeds of 70-100Mbps to at least 50 per cent of the population, 40Mbps to a further 20 per cent and a minimum of 30Mbps available to everyone – all within the lifetime of the Government."

If this is true then it was a LIE. No ?

My question remains does it make a difference which party we vote for with regards to rural broadband.

Sorry probably should of made it clearer my problem wasn't with your post at all you just asked a question. My problem was with all the people who responded "of course they are full of ****" "you actually believe them"

I mean its pretty obvious from a logistics standpoint it wasnt getting done in 3-4 years Eircom started trials in 2011 for FTTH and only began to create the infrastructure start of last year nationally and the same with SIRO these things talk a really long time. It will be the end of the next government before its fully done and even at that its a push.

But I think its worth noting that the ground work (Which there was quite allot of) has been for the most part done and we are now at the stage where its actually in the roll out stage as you can see here its available in a decent amount of towns already www. eir .ie/extreme/

rob808

The big difference with this NBP a lot of work gone into it we're as past NBP there wasn't much effort put in the main reason it was delay was because eir efibre rollout which isn't finish till end of 2016.It make sense that NBP starting in 2017 because they fully know who has fast broadband and who doesn't plus there be no problem with Eu state aid.

ED E

I don't believe the start date of 2017 has anything to do with eirs plans and everything to do with a proper planning process, if you do this right you cant rush it.

Eir aren't ceasing rollouts at the end of 2016 btw, they just expect the FTTC deployment to be mostly finished then. We'll see FTTH works all the way to 2025 I suspect.

Persiancowboy

celtic_oz wrote: »

Fianna Fails manifesto :

""(iii) Secure Universal Fibre to the home broadband across Ireland All communities in Ireland need rapid high speed broadband access. It is vital for rural sustainability that homes and businesses join the global digital community. There have been too many commitments left unfilled by Fine Gael and Labour. Broadband can help open up a global market for rural tourism and small local producers. Ad hoc approaches must be replaced with a bold, ambitious long term plan that will place Ireland at the 25 forefront of the IT revolution. Rolling out Fibre to the Home broadband (FTTH) will be a future proofed policy that will equip Ireland with an infrastructure capable of competing in the global economy. FTTH is fibre optic cable capable of delivering download speeds of up to 1 Gigabit per second (Gbps) directly to households and businesses. - We will support the roll out of fibre optic broadband directly to all premises in the state through commercial operators and direct state intervention, backed by an additional €75m in funding to accelerate roll out."

This garbage has Eamonn O Cuiv written all over it....anybody with an iota of knowledge about how State interventions of this nature work will know that promising a specific technology is a fundamental breach of EU State Aid rules (which require publicly-funded interventions to be technology neutral). My understanding (and I'm open to correction on this) is that current NBP has set a particular specification in terms of the type of current and future service the government requires and it is being left up to bidders to convince Dept they can deliver on this. If that is ftth then great but that decision rests with the bidder as against being mandated by the Government.

Fianna Fail.......they haven't gone away you know.....

rob808

Persiancowboy wrote: »

This garbage has Eamonn O Cuiv written all over it....anybody with an iota of knowledge about how State interventions of this nature work will know that promising a specific technology is a fundamental breach of EU State Aid rules (which require publicly-funded interventions to be technology neutral). My understanding (and I'm open to correction on this) is that current NBP has set a particular specification in terms of the type of current and future service the government requires and it is being left up to bidders to convince Dept they can deliver on this. If that is ftth then great but that decision rests with the bidder as against being mandated by the Government.

Fianna Fail.......they haven't gone away you know.....

Fianna fail could pick FTTH since they have choice which bidder or bidders to pick in April if they win election they could give it to siro and eir which would give most FTTH and rest to far from exchange reach fixed wireless.The EU state rules are annoying we should be able to pick the best technology for Irish people instead of following EU stupid rules.

Elemonator

They promised it before.

ED E

rob808 wrote: »

Fianna fail could pick FTTH since they have choice which bidder or bidders to pick in April if they win election they could give it to siro and eir which would give most FTTH and rest to far from exchange reach fixed wireless.The EU state rules are annoying we should be able to pick the best technology for Irish people instead of following EU stupid rules.

Its a national tender with EU backing, you don't just "pick", theres a process.

rob808

ED E wrote: »

Its a national tender with EU backing, you don't just "pick", theres a process.

The EU again they only give us 75 million were feck then if there picking.

Cabaal

Should we believe him, the simple answer is no.

rogue-entity

celtic_oz wrote: »

Fianna Fails manifesto :

""(iii) Secure Universal Fibre to the home broadband across Ireland All communities in Ireland need rapid high speed broadband access. It is vital for rural sustainability that homes and businesses join the global digital community. There have been too many commitments left unfilled by Fine Gael and Labour. Broadband can help open up a global market for rural tourism and small local producers. Ad hoc approaches must be replaced with a bold, ambitious long term plan that will place Ireland at the 25 forefront of the IT revolution. Rolling out Fibre to the Home broadband (FTTH) will be a future proofed policy that will equip Ireland with an infrastructure capable of competing in the global economy. FTTH is fibre optic cable capable of delivering download speeds of up to 1 Gigabit per second (Gbps) directly to households and businesses. - We will support the roll out of fibre optic broadband directly to all premises in the state through commercial operators and direct state intervention, backed by an additional €75m in funding to accelerate roll out."

Fianna Fail, the party that brought us Dialup Dempsey, plenty of opportunity back in 2000 to fix this situation instead of letting Eircom string everyone along on ADSL1 (when countries like Sweden were rolling out VDSL).

Do I believe that Fine Gael will be any different here? Not a chance; as ambitious as Labour were too to make that promise they never quite got round to it either (and lets not talk about the farce of giving tender to H3.

As for Eir, people should read the fable about the fox and the scorpion; a leopard doesn't change its spots.

rob808

rogue-entity wrote: »

Fianna Fail, the party that brought us Dialup Dempsey, plenty of opportunity back in 2000 to fix this situation instead of letting Eircom string everyone along on ADSL1 (when countries like Sweden were rolling out VDSL).

Do I believe that Fine Gael will be any different here? Not a chance; as ambitious as Labour were too to make that promise they never quite got round to it either (and lets not talk about the farce of giving tender to H3.

As for Eir, people should read the fable about the fox and the scorpion; a leopard doesn't change its spots.

The NBP has alot of work gone into it were as past NBP there wasn't.it be the winning bidder(s) which will decide what technology they will be using.The only power the new goverment will have is how much money they will throw at it.

Persiancowboy

rob808 wrote: »

The NBP has alot of work gone into it were as past NBP there wasn't.it be the winning bidder(s) which will decide what technology they will be using.The only power the new goverment will have is how much money they will throw at it.

Not so. The main decision for Government is to actually choose the winning bidder or bidders. The amount of money required to fund the intervention and the technology platform to be used will alkl emerge during the bidding process. Government has an absolutely key role in the NBP.

rob808

Persiancowboy wrote: »

Not so. The main decision for Government is to actually choose the winning bidder or bidders. The amount of money required to fund the intervention and the technology platform to be used will alkl emerge during the bidding process. Government has an absolutely key role in the NBP.

I don't think the new Goverment going to mess with NBP given what happen to Fine Gael and labour this election.