Poll - Election 2016 - Dún Laoghaire for #GE16

Agent Smith

Who's getting your first preference on the 26th?

http://www.rte.ie/news/election-2016/constituencies/dublin-south-central/

The Mig

Richie down as a FG :eek:

ted1

Mary drive her car down the steps and is pushing for minimum price alcohol for that reason she's out, Marie is making up the 30% so won't get my vote.
Mary Hanafin screwed the country , didn't run last time and is running now thinking we've forgotten what she did, so she's out.

Cormac is a good guy and a hard working councillor and if you can get over the fact he is FF deserves a vote.

Ossian seems like he'd be worth a punt on.

The others aren't even worth mentioning

The Mig

I gave Gilmore and RBB 1 & 2 in that order in 2011.

Will be giving Cormac Devlin my No.1 in this. Unsure if I'll give a 2nd or 3rd preference.

schemingbohemia

ted1 wrote: »

Mary drive her car down the steps and is pushing for minimum price alcohol for that reason she's out, Marie is making up the 30% so won't get my vote.
Mary Hanafin screwed the country , didn't run last time and is running now thinking we've forgotten what she did, so she's out.

Cormac is a good guy and a hard working councillor and if you can get over the fact he is FF deserves a vote.

Ossian seems like he'd be worth a punt on.

The others aren't even worth mentioning

In fairness she (Mary Hanafin) did actually run the last time, unlike many of the other FF Ministers who saw the writing on the wall. I've never voted for her, never will, but she did stand.

ted1

schemingbohemia wrote: »

In fairness she (Mary Hanafin) did actually run the last time, unlike many of the other FF Ministers who saw the writing on the wall. I've never voted for her, never will, but she did stand.

I stand corrected. But she'll still not get a vote from me

RainyDay

The Mig wrote: »

Will be giving Cormac Devlin my No.1 in this. Unsure if I'll give a 2nd or 3rd preference.

So paying for repeat exam fees for public officials doesn't bother you then?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/no-ethics-breach-found-over-payment-of-councillors-college-fees-1.529078

ted1

RainyDay wrote: »

So paying for repeat exam fees for public officials doesn't bother you then?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/no-ethics-breach-found-over-payment-of-councillors-college-fees-1.529078

It doesn't bother me sounds like a Legitimate expense. The company I worked for paid for my college fees.

The course also sounds very work related.

RainyDay

ted1 wrote: »

It doesn't bother me sounds like a Legitimate expense. The company I worked for paid for my college fees.

And did they pay your repeat exam fees if you failed exams and had to redo them? Because any company education policy that I've seen explicitly excludes payment for exam fees to incentivise recipients of the grant to get their act together.

ted1

RainyDay wrote: »

And did they pay your repeat exam fees if you failed exams and had to redo them? Because any company education policy that I've seen explicitly excludes payment for exam fees to incentivise recipients of the grant to get their act together.

I didn't fail but I imagine that they would have.

mailforkev

It's a bit of a Hobson's choice this time around.

Hanafin too god squad for me, even before the toys out of the pram selection fiasco. Devlin seems an alright bloke but also tainted by FF.

I won't vote for Mary MO'C due to her being blatantly in the pocket of the vintners et al. Also that incredibly crass Sunday Indo mag cover she was in. Maria Bailey seemed like an alright councillor but she's another FG dynasty politician (apart from her dad, isn't she Simon Harris' first cousin?), so doesn't make it easy.

Carrie Smith for Labour? They're good on the social issues, but iffy on the rest. Also managed to bungle all the goodwill they should have had after the marriage ref.

Ossian seems like a nice fella too but the Greens left me paying a small fortune in motor tax on my older car so they're out. That single policy has cost me thousands of euro.

I won't vote for anything to do with Lucinda so that's Cronin gone.

I can't vote for RBB on economic grounds, and I'll never vote SF so they're gone.

I'll have a google of Carol Hunt and see what her deal is just to be fair.

So what do I do? I'll be doing 1,2,3 at most I'd say.

RainyDay

ted1 wrote: »

I didn't fail but I imagine that they would have.

I'd suggest you stop imagining and check out the actual policy. It would be very, very unusual for any company - public sector or private sector - to pay for repeat exam fees. Certainly, the DLRCoCo staff policy at the time excluded payment for repeat fees. There was no policy for paying for education costs for Councillors, and the relevant law refers to payment for 'events', not courses. Devlin's degree course fees (including repeat exam fees) was not approved by Councillors as required by law.

At every Council meeting, there is an item on the Agenda to approve attendance at training events under Section 142 of the Local Government Act. Devlin's course was not approved by his peers until after he completed the four year course. He sat through four years of meetings, listening to training courses being approved for himself and others, and 'forgot' to have his own degree course, including repeat exam fees approved.

Just the kind of guy we want in the Dáil.

ted1

RainyDay wrote: »

I'd suggest you stop imagining and check out the actual policy. It would be very, very unusual for any company - public sector or private sector - to pay for repeat exam fees. Certainly, the DLRCoCo staff policy at the time excluded payment for repeat fees. There was no policy for paying for education costs for Councillors, and the relevant law refers to payment for 'events', not courses. Devlin's degree course fees (including repeat exam fees) was not approved by Councillors as required by law.

At every Council meeting, there is an item on the Agenda to approve attendance at training events under Section 142 of the Local Government Act. Devlin's course was not approved by his peers until after he completed the four year course. He sat through four years of meetings, listening to training courses being approved for himself and others, and 'forgot' to have his own degree course, including repeat exam fees approved.

Just the kind of guy we want in the Dáil.

I just asked, they would pay.
The best thing about democracy is that we are all free to choose who we want, so let's agree to differ

RainyDay

ted1 wrote: »

I just asked, they would pay.
The best thing about democracy is that we are all free to choose who we want, so let's agree to differ

Absolutely, democracy is great. You want to choose somebody who got an under-the-table payment from a public body that goes against the published policy of that public body and didn't declare it for four years despite seeing other declarations each and every month, and I don't.

Fratton Fred

Cllr Maria Bailey is obviously not running on a parish pump agenda.

The road outside her house is full of potholes.

(mind you, very few roads in DL aren't).

uch

Shane O'Brien is Sinn Féin Lads

The Mig

RainyDay wrote: »

So paying for repeat exam fees for public officials doesn't bother you then?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/no-ethics-breach-found-over-payment-of-councillors-college-fees-1.529078

No. I'd assume any job would cover it if you're trying to balance a working/study life that's relevant to your job.

Fair play to you for dragging something up from 2012 though :rolleyes:

ted1

RainyDay wrote: »

Absolutely, democracy is great. You want to choose somebody who got an under-the-table payment from a public body that goes against the published policy of that public body and didn't declare it for four years despite seeing other declarations each and every month, and I don't.

I choose someone who actually wants to make a difference , the course was 100% relevant to his job. The question is why don't DLRCoCo have a education provision in their CSR. Any way it sounds like you playing party politics. So I will leave it there


I do find it odd that you are attacking a candidate without contributing yourself , who are you voting for?

RainyDay

ted1 wrote: »

I choose someone who actually wants to make a difference

I'm not sure what difference he will able to make as an opposition backbencher, seeing as FF have ruled out the possibility of being in Govt, but I guess that's another day's debate.

ted1 wrote: »

the course was 100% relevant to his job.

Being a Councillor is not a 'job' - it is a part time appointment, involving attending a few meetings each month. Though yes, the course in question was relevant to his part-time appointment.

ted1 wrote: »

The question is why don't DLRCoCo have a education provision in their CSR.

That is an interesting question. I guess the fact that the legislation that applied at the time S.142(5) of the Local Government Act 2001 referred to "conference, seminar, training or other meeting or event " and not 'education' might have been one reason. I guess the fact that Councillors go for reelection every five years might have implied that paying for someone to do a four year degree course may not have offered great value for the payer. And if they did have an education policy for Councillors, I guess they might have based it on their education policy for staff, which explicitly excluded repeat exam fees.

If Devins or others weren't happy with this legislation, they could have lobbied to change it instead of getting secret payments from their council and forgetting to declare it to their colleagues each month for four years.

The Mig wrote: »

No. I'd assume any job would cover it if you're trying to balance a working/study life that's relevant to your job.

LIke I explained above, being a Councillor is not a job, it is a part-time appointment. If you're having difficulty balancing your working study / life, perhaps you should have considered that before starting out on the course, instead of expecting taxpayers to cough up for your repeat exam fees.

Cookie_Monster

No longer living in Irl so thankfully don't have to waste my time deciding who is the least worst here. But if I had to; it's atoss up between throwing the Greens a sympathy vote and doodling all over the page

Richard Hillman

Does anybody else see Maria Bailey claiming the FG seat instead MMOC?

I don't think they will both get in but MMOC has been consistently full of either facepalm or nanny state.

There may also be a few issues in regard to RBB and Sinn Fein splitting their target vote.

It's gonna take a lot of rounds to reach those quotas. There won't be a Gilmore, Sean Barrett or 2007 Hannafin.

I'm predicting
1. Hannafin
2. Bailey
3. RBB

In that order and MMOC to return for the Bye-Election when Sean Barrett retires.

ted1

RainyDay wrote: »

I'm not sure what difference he will able to make as an opposition backbencher, seeing as FF have ruled out the possibility of being in Govt, but I guess that's another day's debate.


Being a Councillor is not a 'job' - it is a part time appointment, involving attending a few meetings each month. Though yes, the course in question was relevant to his part-time appointment.


That is an interesting question. I guess the fact that the legislation that applied at the time S.142(5) of the Local Government Act 2001 referred to "conference, seminar, training or other meeting or event " and not 'education' might have been one reason. I guess the fact that Councillors go for reelection every five years might have implied that paying for someone to do a four year degree course may not have offered great value for the payer. And if they did have an education policy for Councillors, I guess they might have based it on their education policy for staff, which explicitly excluded repeat exam fees.

If Devins or others weren't happy with this legislation, they could have lobbied to change it instead of getting secret payments from their council and forgetting to declare it to their colleagues each month for four years.


LIke I explained above, being a Councillor is not a job, it is a part-time appointment. If you're having difficulty balancing your working study / life, perhaps you should have considered that before starting out on the course, instead of expecting taxpayers to cough up for your repeat exam fees.

Blah blah blah, take part in the conversation or station the side line , who are you backing..

ted1

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Does anybody else see Maria Bailey claiming the FG seat instead MMOC?

I don't think they will both get in but MMOC has been consistently full of either facepalm or nanny state.

There may also be a few issues in regard to RBB and Sinn Fein splitting their target vote.

It's gonna take a lot of rounds to reach those quotas. There won't be a Gilmore, Sean Barrett or 2007 Hannafin.

I'm predicting
1. Hannafin
2. Bailey
3. RBB

In that order and MMOC to return for the Bye-Election when Sean Barrett retires.

I think MMOC is a lame duck and if Bailey doesn't make it she won't get transfers from her, however Bailey might get transfers from MMOC who would get party votes over candidate votes .

I think people have seen through RBB and hopefully get rid of him. Anti everything , pro nothing...

I can't see anyone under 50 voting for Hanafin so it depends on the turn out.

RainyDay

ted1 wrote: »

Blah blah blah, take part in the conversation or station the side line , who are you backing..

Who died and left you in charge?

Tabnabs

ted1 wrote: »

I think MMOC is a lame duck and if Bailey doesn't make it she won't get transfers from her, however Bailey might get transfers from MMOC who would get party votes over candidate votes .

I think people have seen through RBB and hopefully get rid of him. Anti everything , pro nothing...

I don't think you could be more wide of the mark here.

MMOC has had a pretty high profile tenure over the last Dail and, despite being a clown, has done more than other local politicians at getting pro business events (attended by ministers and Kenny) to the area. She's done enough to keep her seat.

RBB is the darling of the disaffected and the champagne socialists of SCD. He's going nowhere (and doing nothing worthwhile either).

I think Devlin might sneak the last seat, a good councillor, just a great shame he's FF.

Gareth Keenan

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Does anybody else see Maria Bailey claiming the FG seat instead MMOC?

I don't think they will both get in but MMOC has been consistently full of either facepalm or nanny state.

There may also be a few issues in regard to RBB and Sinn Fein splitting their target vote.

It's gonna take a lot of rounds to reach those quotas. There won't be a Gilmore, Sean Barrett or 2007 Hannafin.

I'm predicting
1. Hannafin
2. Bailey
3. RBB

In that order and MMOC to return for the Bye-Election when Sean Barrett retires.

as we're doings prediction (much more fun):

1. MMOC (strong FG vote out here and she's the incumbent, heard she's been canvassing well)
2. RBB (strong personal support, high profile, scoops up a lot of the former Gimore vote)
3. Devlin (there is latent FF support out here, & I think Devlin will take more transfers from the above 2, and the likely low finishers than Hanafin)

bookies odds here:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/other-politics/irish-constituencies/TO-WIN-A-SEAT%3a-DUN-LAOGHAIRE-%283%29-9808095.html

edited to add: I hadn't read Tabnab's post above. Seems a sound judge

Larbre34

If its anything other than MMOC, RBB and Hanafin, in that order, I shall be surprised. To my mind Devlin has more chance against Hanafin, than Bailey has against MMOC.

Marcusm

ted1 wrote: »

I choose someone who actually wants to make a difference , the course was 100% relevant to his job. The question is why don't DLRCoCo have a education provision in their CSR. Any way it sounds like you playing party politics. So I will leave it there


I do find it odd that you are attacking a candidate without contributing yourself , who are you voting for?

Being completely objective here, no political affiliation, a county council positon is not a job, it's a parttime political post. Personally, I cannot see how studying for a BA in Political Administration was an expense which should be borne by the rate/LPTpayers of DL. It is an oversight/policy role and clearly procedures were in place to review, approve and pay for these courses but those procedures were not followed. The fact that he had repeat exam fees paid when full time staff undertaking exams necessary (rather than desirable) for their role would not have had them paid is atrocious.

I find it hard to believe that he did not remit the fees to the council on the basis that he had not had them properly approved. It should be irrelevant that it was the responsibility of the officials - public representatives should operate at a higher standard.

uch

Can't see that arrogant fecker Hanafin getting in to be honest

frash

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Think I'll give Carol Hunt my #1

Gareth Keenan

latest pre election odds at Paddy Power... Odds are in decimals, ie 2.0 is an even chance. Anything below is odds on, so they are strongly predicting MMOC, RBB and Hanafin. Bailey 4th and Devlin distant 5th

Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Fine Gael) 1.04
Cormac Devlin (Fianna Fail) 3.75
Shane O'Brien (Sinn Fein) 34.00
Richard Boyd Barrett (AAA-PBP) 1.10
Carrie Smyth (Labour) 11.00
Frank Cronin (Renua) 81.00
Mary Hanafin (Fianna Fail) 1.40
Ossian Smyth (Green Party) 19.00
Raymond Whitehead (DDI-NCM) 501.00
Maria Bailey (Fine Gael) 2.50
Carol Hunt (Ind) 21.00

Tabnabs

Hanafin is an insufferable pain, incredibly bad news if she gets back on the gravy train.

The Mig

Done and dusted at 07:30am

uch

Tabnabs wrote: »

Hanafin is an insufferable pain, incredibly bad news if she gets back on the gravy train.

My god it has made my day that this Geebag was rejected, she really was the typical FF'er thinking she had an entitlement to a seat in Dún Laoghaire, while I'm not particularly happy that were the most right wing constituency in the country, you take the small wins when you get them

ted1

uch wrote: »

My god it has made my day that this Geebag was rejected, she really was the typical FF'er thinking she had an entitlement to a seat in Dún Laoghaire, while I'm not particularly happy that were the most right wing constituency in the country, you take the small wins when you get them

RBB topped the poll, he couldn't be further to the left

uch

ted1 wrote: »

RBB topped the poll, he couldn't be further to the left

True but 3 FG'ers, as I said most right wing constituency, couldn't be further right

Larbre34

....yet traditionally the most liberal on social issues. Odd isnt it..

ted1

uch wrote: »

True but 3 FG'ers, as I said most right wing constituency, couldn't be further right

Barrett was automatically elected so exclude him in the count

Tabnabs

ted1 wrote:

RBB topped the poll, he couldn't be further to the left

Yeah, that's what he keeps reminding his yacht club mates.

He topped the poll and got through on the sixth count. Followed by two FG women who got just a few hundred less votes.

Gareth Keenan

does "top the poll" mean most 1st preferences? If that's the case MMOC was the leader at the 1st count. RBB was 1st to be elected, on the 6th count.

Anyway, I'm delighted that Hanafin didn't get in. I hope she ****s off now. FF probably would have taken a seat if she hadn't shoved her way onto the ticket.

I'm very surprised at how well FG did, I really didn't think Bailey had a hope. If FG form a Govt I'd say MMOC will get a junior minister post as a prize because that's the primitive way Enda works.

ted1

Gareth Keenan wrote: »

does "top the poll" mean most 1st preferences? If that's the case MMOC was the leader at the 1st count. RBB was 1st to be elected, on the 6th count.

Anyway, I'm delighted that Hanafin didn't get in. I hope she ****s off now. FF probably would have taken a seat if she hadn't shoved her way onto the ticket.

I'm very surprised at how well FG did, I really didn't think Bailey had a hope. If FG form a Govt I'd say MMOC will get a junior minister post as a prize because that's the primitive way Enda works.

I don't think Enda will be in a position to hand out positions. Frances Fitz/Richard B or Leo will be dealing with that type thing along My Hole Martin as Number 2