Rules Question, signing in

agusta

In my club there is a winter league in progress at the moment.There is approx 20 teams of 6 players.Each player has to return 3 12 hole cards during a 3 week period.The 3 rounds can be played at any time during the 3 weeks.
The player has to sign in before each round.
My brother played his first round the weekend before last,He played his second round last sunday.He had a great score of 27pts in very tough conditions.
My brother was informed on sunday evening that his second round score was disqualified because he didnt sign in before the round.
A/ Would i be correct in saying "if he didnt sign in before his round that its deemed he didnt actually enter the competition and that he should not have been disqualified".The card is just void and he can play his round 2 this weekend?
B/ should my brother have been disqualified

ShriekingSheet

agusta wrote: »

In my club there is a winter league in progress at the moment.There is approx 20 teams of 6 players.Each player has to return 3 12 hole cards during a 3 week period.The 3 rounds can be played at any time during the 3 weeks.
The player has to sign in before each round.
My brother played his first round the weekend before last,He played his second round last sunday.He had a great score of 27pts in very tough conditions.
My brother was informed on sunday evening that his second round score was disqualified because he didnt sign in before the round.
A/ Would i be correct in saying "if he didnt sign in before his round that its deemed he didnt actually enter the competition and that he should not have been disqualified".The card is just void and he can play his round 2 this weekend?
B/ should my brother have been disqualified

The rules of golf only say that the committee decide on the specifics of things like competition entry. There isn't (to the best of my knowledge) a rule of golf that says you must sign in.

So the action you can take is to appeal to the committee to let him play his second round another time.

As for the score not counting because he didn't sign in, that would be a widely acceptable decision by the committee. While it's not in the rules, it's common (and common sense) that you must sign in before you play. There's a whole can of worms around .1 back and comp entry fees behind that consensus, which we won't get into.

My view - they were right to rule his score out, but they should let him go again. And it's in their power to let him, as opposed to a specific rule saying he can or can't.

bustercherry

Anyone else think the rules of that league a bit too complicated?

Montgolfier

Is this about signing in on the computer beforehand?
I presume he paid the competition entry fee in the pro shop, did he?

CMOTDibbler

Montgolfier wrote: »

Is this about signing in on the computer beforehand?
I presume he paid the competition entry fee in the pro shop, did he?

I would imagine that the entry fee was paid at the start of the competition. The format is three (12 hole) rounds, so I doubt you'd be paying an entry fee before each round.

I think an appeal to the committee to allow him to play his 2nd round again would be the best way forward. After all, being a team competition it would be a bit unfair on his fellow team mates who did nothing wrong and are also presumably out of the competition.

Wichita Lineman

Disqualification seems harsh but not counting his score would be the right thing to do IMO. In my club we have to sign in before each round of our Winter League in the competitions book as a minimum and then the computer (preferred but not compulsory) to declare we are playing the specific round. That prevents anyone having a great score and then deciding it would do nicely for their team score.

I'm not suggesting that was your brothers motive but it would be open to abuse if you don't have to 'sign in' somewhere first.

Wichita Lineman

Disqualification seems harsh but not counting his score would be the right thing to do IMO. In my club we have to sign in before each round of our Winter League in the competitions book as a minimum and then the computer (preferred but not compulsory) to declare we are playing the specific round. That prevents anyone having a great score and then deciding it would do nicely for their team score.

I'm not suggesting that was your brothers motive but it would be open to abuse if you don't have to 'sign in' somewhere first.

cgh

IWinter Leagues in golf.
every club runs it diferently.
most dont follow the rules of golf (winter rules and use of temparary greens and diferrent holes used)
the committee make the rules up in general for the winter league.
it would seem to me that most people dont look for the "rules of the winter league" from the club before playing.
I fell fowl to this already this year when qustioning the rules of the winter league.

Golfgraffix

I had this conversation with the Leinster branch two weeks ago. As far a the rules go it is the card that counts.

The competition commitee can put a condition in place that requires a player to sign in but they can only apply sanctions if it is not followed. So if I don't sign in and win it still stands but I could be banned from playing the next two comps.

J

Hoof Hearted2

Golfgraffix wrote: »

I had this conversation with the Leinster branch two weeks ago. As far a the rules go it is the card that counts.

The competition commitee can put a condition in place that requires a player to sign in but they can only apply sanctions if it is not followed. So if I don't sign in and win it still stands but I could be banned from playing the next two comps.

J

The card can't count if he hasn't entered the Comp. Endof.

Golfgraffix

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

The card can't count if he hasn't entered the Comp. Endof.

I guess it comes down to the rules of entry and how the club set them up and also how they communicated that with the players.

The rules of golf allow a player to enter a competition by just turning up and declaring their intention to play.

Seemingly many clubs have not clearly set out the entry procedure. Its only fresh in my mind as i am putting together something for my own club.

2-3 Entry

In club competitions entry may be made by a player adding his name to a sheet by a certain date or simply arriving on the day of the competition and indicating his desire to play. Even with these less formal methods of entry, the Committee must establish clear procedural guidelines and state what should happen if the correct procedure is not adopted.

agusta

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I would imagine that the entry fee was paid at the start of the competition. The format is three (12 hole) rounds, so I doubt you'd be paying an entry fee before each round.

I think an appeal to the committee to allow him to play his 2nd round again would be the best way forward. After all, being a team competition it would be a bit unfair on his fellow team mates who did nothing wrong and are also presumably out of the competition.

Correct,The entry fee was paid before the draw was made

agusta

Golfgraffix wrote: »

I had this conversation with the Leinster branch two weeks ago. As far a the rules go it is the card that counts.

The competition commitee can put a condition in place that requires a player to sign in but they can only apply sanctions if it is not followed. So if I don't sign in and win it still stands but I could be banned from playing the next two comps.

J

I did abit of research late last night.
I think the leinster branch are wrong in saying its the card that counts..,
Reading "Congo rule 8.6"
"Before commencing play on the day of a qualifying competition ensure his entry has being registered in the competion record,manually or by computer in the manner required by the club or committee in charge of the competition"
"A player who fails to enter a qualifying competition in the required manner is deemed to have neither a score for the competition nor a score for handicap purposes"

agusta

So going by congo rule 8.6,would it be that if a player did not actually sign in,[ because he forgot to]he did not actually enter the competition he could not get disqualified.
Do CONGO rules apply to winter league 12 hole competitions?

Golfgorfield

agusta wrote: »

I did abit of research late last night.
I think the leinster branch are wrong in saying its the card that counts..,
Reading "Congo rule 8.6"
"Before commencing play on the day of a qualifying competition ensure his entry has being registered in the competion record,manually or by computer in the manner required by the club or committee in charge of the competition"
"A player who fails to enter a qualifying competition in the required manner is deemed to have neither a score for the competition nor a score for handicap purposes"

So you did some research, got the above answer, asked forum advice, which resulted in an answer from a GUI enquiry. And the only correct thing in your eyes is what google spat out.


I dunno.

agusta

Golfgorfield wrote: »

So you did some research, got the above answer, then asked forum advice, which resulted in an answer from a GUI enquiry. And the only correct thing in your eyes is what google spat out.


I dunno.

i looked for advise before "11pm"last night.i spent a long time checking congo rules,I didnt come across rule 8.6 until "1.30 am" .And i have not been back on this forum on until i posted my first post today.

"the only correct thing in your eyes is what google spat out",I really dont understand what you mean by this??
I was reading the congo rules,congo dont spat out rules.Do we not play by these rules.It doesnt matter what is correct in my eyes or not.It is really what the rules of golf say in my opinion

Golfgorfield

agusta wrote: »

i looked for advise before "11pm"last night.i spent a long time checking congo rules,I didnt come across rule 8.6 until "1.30 am" .And i have not been back on this forum on until i posted my first post today.

"the only correct thing in your eyes is what google spat out",I really dont understand what you mean by this??
I was reading the congo rules,congo dont spat out rules.Do we not play by these rules.It doesnt matter what is correct in my eyes or not.It is really what the rules of golf say in my opinion

Ok, however asking on a forum usually gets a version of everyone's own opinions, which is usually not even close to the rulebook.
Unless your looking for someone out of a large bunch to come up with what you want to hear, the rule book is likely your best bet tbh.

agusta

The reason i posted the question is that there is a lot of good guys on here well up on the rules and i sought there opinion.Its not "what i want to hear",i dont understand what you mean saying this.its irrelevant.It is what the ruling actually is,

cgh

the ruling here is the competition committee have made a ruling and thats that.
you can take it up further with the club if you want,
but I dont see anything happening.
Rules of golf dont tend to be followed for Winter League.

CMOTDibbler

agusta wrote: »

The reason i posted the question is that there is a lot of good guys on here well up on the rules and i sought there opinion.Its not "what i want to hear",i dont understand what you mean saying this.its irrelevant.It is what the ruling actually is,

Your OP seems to suggest that your brother isn't disqualified, just the score.

agusta wrote: »

My brother was informed on sunday evening that his second round score was disqualified because he didnt sign in before the round.
A/ Would i be correct in saying "if he didnt sign in before his round that its deemed he didnt actually enter the competition and that he should not have been disqualified".The card is just void and he can play his round 2 this weekend?
B/ should my brother have been disqualified

I'd say you need to clarify that with your brother and his club. If only the score is disqualified for not signing in, he still can enter another card and carry on.

I would have thought that was fair enough.