1852 Lease

montgo

""Lease dated 30 April 1852, from Richard Sadleir Esq. to John Quirke from 1 November, 1851, for life of Daniel Kinane, now living or 31 years, whichever shall last longer at the yearly acreable of £2.10 per acre, Irish plantation measure. Covenant against sub-letting without consent in writing of lessor."

Can someone explain the above lease? Would this indicate that Quirke & Kinane were related?
Thx

KildareFan

http://www.billmacafee.com/estates/landedestaterecords.htm
This site explains how leases were granted in Ireland - usually for terms of 31 years, and sometimes linked to the life of a named person.

It's not possible to assume a relationship between the lessor or tenant and the named life unless there's other information to substantiate this.

KildareFan

http://www.billmacafee.com/estates/landedestaterecords.htm
This site explains how leases were granted in Ireland - usually for terms of 31 years, and sometimes linked to the life of a named person.

It's not possible to assume a relationship between the lessor or tenant and the named life unless there's other information to substantiate this.

shanew

sometimes names of local gentry or even the current king or queen were mentioned in leases, as they were considered more likely to live to a greater age.

pinkypinky

And also everyone would know if they died, so harder to defraud!

montgo

Many thanks for link and explanation.

pedroeibar1

montgo wrote: »

""Lease dated 30 April 1852, from Richard Sadleir Esq. to John Quirke from 1 November, 1851, for life of Daniel Kinane, now living or 31 years, whichever shall last longer at the yearly acreable of £2.10 per acre, Irish plantation measure. Covenant against sub-letting without consent in writing of lessor."

Can someone explain the above lease? Would this indicate that Quirke & Kinane were related?
Thx

That land records / lease site is interesting and good but a little NI-centric. “Ulster Custom” did not widely prevail outside of that Province. Land management practices varied enormously throughout the country. I’ve looked at leases on just a few estates only in counties Tipp and Kerry and the differences between what happened in those two counties are huge.

Reading into the above lease I’d be slow to infer that it was a renewal of the lease despite Quirke appearing to be already in possession. Rent was collected semi-annually, usually on Lady Day in March and on All Saints’ Day, the 1st November, so the date on which the lease falls in is probably “housekeeping” on the part of the Estate. My rule of thumb for converting the measure is 30 plantation equals 50 statute acres.

I would neither rule in nor out a link between Quirke/Kinane. If you are at a brick wall it would be worth investigating church records to ascertain if Kinane was a son-in-law.

The covenant against sub-letting was very emotive on the small holdings as it was a means to prevent a father subdividing his holding to rent a part of it to a son on marriage. That practice was the cause of the near wipe-out of the cottier class in the Famine. Many agents are incorrectly accused of “refusing permission to marry” when what they did was prevent subdivision.

Fascinating family the Sadleirs, bankrupts, suicides, murders, bank failures, etc.

montgo

Thanks Pedro for link, etc.

Actually Quirke does not appear on Griffiths. Finding the lease details just confirmed what I had already suspected - that Daniel had married J. Quirke and was probably daughter of John.

montgo

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pedroeibar1

montgo wrote: »

just confirmed what I had already suspected - that Daniel had married J. Quirke and was probably daughter of John. ...

That makes sense as it would be the correct way of structuring the transaction – with the lease in his name, the father John Q has security of tenure for 31 years (i.e. into his old age / death), yet son-in-law Daniel probably has subrogation/succession rights in the event of John’s death, so it would be in his interest to make a success of the holding.

montgo

I don't think Daniel every got that property but will check at the Valuation Office next time I visit. Many thanks.

The Chieftain

montgo wrote: »

""Lease dated 30 April 1852, from Richard Sadleir Esq. to John Quirke from 1 November, 1851, for life of Daniel Kinane, now living or 31 years, whichever shall last longer at the yearly acreable of £2.10 per acre, Irish plantation measure. Covenant against sub-letting without consent in writing of lessor."

Can someone explain the above lease? Would this indicate that Quirke & Kinane were related?
Thx

I think it means that your tythe arrears are now due and payable, plus interest!