40,000 cars sold this year. Where are all the trade-ins?

sadie9

They say 40,000 new cars sold so far this year. I am not seeing the trade-ins appearing anywhere. So unless nearly all of these people already had a car 2013+.
I am just finding it very hard to find a used family car at 10k price or so.

Youngblood.III

Taken out of the country to keep the false economy going.

run_Forrest_run

sadie9 wrote: »

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I am just finding it very hard to find a used family car at 10k price or so.

especially if it's a petrol model you're looking for.

bmwguy

What are you looking for? I bet people here can find suggestions for you if they know your criteria.

dogmatix

sadie9 wrote: »

They say 40,000 new cars sold so far this year. I am not seeing the trade-ins appearing anywhere. So unless nearly all of these people already had a car 2013+.
I am just finding it very hard to find a used family car at 10k price or so.

Could most of the trade ins are for scrappage deal's as there seems to be a fair few scrappage offers going around at the moment - thats what happened with my 2003 banger. So straight to the breakers yard i'd imagine.

Atlantic Dawn

dogmatix wrote: »

Could most of the trade ins are for scrappage deal's as there seems to be a fair few scrappage offers going around at the moment - thats what happened with my 2003 banger. So straight to the breakers yard i'd imagine.

Doubt they would all go breakers, lots would be fixed up and sold on.

J_A_F_A

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

especially if it's a petrol model you're looking for.

Why is it that the petrol models are so scarce?
Don't want to hijack the thread but I'm looking for something similar to the OP and am having trouble finding a petrol option. If I wanted a diesel there are loads on offer.
Cheers,
J_

Atlantic Dawn

J_A_F_A wrote: »

Why is it that the petrol models are so scarce?
Don't want to hijack the thread but I'm looking for something similar to the OP and am having trouble finding a petrol option. If I wanted a diesel there are loads on offer.
Cheers,
J_

Cheeep motor tax on the diesels.

bmwguy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Cheeep motor tax on the diesels.

Yep diesel had something like 70% market share since it all went to emissions based motor tax instead of cc based. Close to 100% in some markets were diesel, anything bigger than golf/focus/astra class didn't sell in petrol at all really. The country was in economic turmoil and uncertainty 08-13/14 so the headline low motor tax and fuel economy won out completely plus diesels became cheaper relative to petrol models due to vrt reductions, again just co2 based. Petrol due a comeback soon as they are have become more fuel efficient recently and I even read 1 Irish independent motor journalist say this week that there is a ban on diesels coming in European cities very soon

drunkmonkey

Speaking to a sales guy the other day and he's seeing a lot of people who held off buying for the last few years and are now jumping from 07/08 to new. There a shortage of years there 10,11,12.

ShadowHearth

bmwguy wrote: »

Yep diesel had something like 70% market share since it all went to emissions based motor tax instead of cc based. Close to 100% in some markets were diesel, anything bigger than golf/focus/astra class didn't sell in petrol at all really. The country was in economic turmoil and uncertainty 08-13/14 so the headline low motor tax and fuel economy won out completely plus diesels became cheaper relative to petrol models due to vrt reductions, again just co2 based. Petrol due a comeback soon as they are have become more fuel efficient recently and I even read 1 Irish independent motor journalist say this week that there is a ban on diesels coming in European cities very soon

Can they actually just ban diesels?! I presume only for private cars? Still, would there be some scrapie scheme then? I doubt that a lot of people wouldn't be happy when told that their 2-4 year old car is illegal...

bmwguy

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Can they actually just ban diesels?! I presume only for private cars? Still, would there be some scrapie scheme then? I doubt that a lot of people wouldn't be happy when told that their 2-4 year old car is illegal...

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/is-d-day-looming-for-diesel-fuelled-cars-1.2062893


According to this London tried but backtracked and Paris are on course for a ban by 2020. How they will enforce it anywhere I don't know but I just foresee taxes if you want to drive a diesel in some of these cities. It's a tough one but apparently diesel is better for the environment but terrible for people's health in confined city spaces.

gercoral

been looking solid for about a month, can't find anything either anything i had my eye on was sold when i went to dealer

grogi

bmwguy wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/is-d-day-looming-for-diesel-fuelled-cars-1.2062893


According to this London tried but backtracked and Paris are on course for a ban by 2020. How they will enforce it anywhere I don't know but I just foresee taxes if you want to drive a diesel in some of these cities. It's a tough one but apparently diesel is better for the environment but terrible for people's health in confined city spaces.

Cameras and cross check with registration information. Very easy actually.

And what do you mean by "better for environment"? Typically, what kills humans, kills other life forms as well.

grogi

gercoral wrote: »

been looking solid for about a month, can't find anything either anything i had my eye on was sold when i went to dealer

I probably will buy new...

grogi

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Can they actually just ban diesels?! I presume only for private cars? Still, would there be some scrapie scheme then? I doubt that a lot of people wouldn't be happy when told that their 2-4 year old car is illegal...

In the past I would say no, they will not. First only the Euro4, 5 and 6 will be allowed, with the older standards being banned in coming years.

But after VW fiasco, we will rather see a complete ban.

Marcusm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Can they actually just ban diesels?! I presume only for private cars? Still, would there be some scrapie scheme then? I doubt that a lot of people wouldn't be happy when told that their 2-4 year old car is illegal...

Such bans have been in place in some European cities (eg Lisbon) for years. Not a ban on diesel but a ban on cars not meeting certain emissions standards (for particulates and NOx). I think pre 96 cars are exempt in Lisbon which indicates how long it's been in force.

London has a low emission zone applicable to commercials for years (more or less anything inside m25) and an ultra low emission zone is to come. I guess you could compare it to the 5axle ban in central Dublin. That being said I'm not sure that Dublin pollution warrants it.

Paris's solution was to allocate days to even and odd number d cars rather than tackling the long term issue.