Tiles or bathroom/kitchen first?

Jim1000

Hello folks,

rooms ready now but is it better to completely tile the bathroom first(floor an walls) or put in the bath,sink,toilet etc first.
Likewise for the kitchen. Tile first or put in the kitchen first?

Tks a lot,

Jim

Steve

Bathroom:
Bath / shower first, then tiles, then toilet & sink unit.

Kitchen:
Depends if you ever think you'll want to change - if not, floor tiles, units & worktops then wall tiles, then trim.

That's how I did mine.

King Mallie

Only point I would add is it Depends on the tile your putting on kitchen floor because some people fit them last to save from scratches etc...

kev1.3s

Make sure you put a classic seal or Aqua strap on the shower/ bath and install before tiling, best €40 you'll ever spend.

King Mallie

kev1.3s wrote: »

Make sure you put a classic seal or Aqua strap on the shower/ bath and install before tiling, best €40 you'll ever spend.

I never use a bath or shower seal and I have tiled loads of houses and never had a leak. Bath seals will leak over time as hot water affects them.

I would just deal with silicone and then tile on top of it

kev1.3s

King Mallie wrote: »

I never use a bath or shower seal and I have tiled loads of houses and never had a leak. Bath seals will leak over time as hot water affects them.

I would just deal with silicone and then tile on top of it

I agree, but a classic seal isn't a traditional bath seal. It goes behind the tile. I'm a professional and insist on them nowadays.

King Mallie

kev1.3s wrote: »

I agree, but a classic seal isn't a traditional bath seal. It goes behind the tile. I'm a professional and insist on them nowadays.

Of course the back section goes behind the tile but the problem is with the front section which starts to lift over time and water creeps under it

kev1.3s

King Mallie wrote: »

Of course the back section goes behind the tile but the problem is with the front section which starts to lift over time and water creeps under it

There is no section in front of the tile, the tile is cut to the bath and sealed with silicone. Google it.

Steve

I agree, I used classic seal and its perfect.

Also don't use silicone, use tec7 to seal, much better finish.

ted1

King Mallie wrote: »

Only point I would add is it Depends on the tile your putting on kitchen floor because some people fit them last to save from scratches etc...

But then the can't tile wall to wall. As the units are in the way.

Jim1000

what about bathroom wall tiles? Before or after bath?

kev1.3s

Fit bath with afore mentioned classic seal and tile down to it.

Sleeper12

King Mallie wrote:

I never use a bath or shower seal and I have tiled loads of houses and never had a leak. Bath seals will leak over time as hot water affects them.

King Mallie wrote:

I would just deal with silicone and then tile on top of it

This is one handyman you need to stay away from. A real tiler would never rely totally on silicone. Silicone is only waterproof for a few years. Less than that if you have movement in the floor. This type of job causes nightmares for the homeowner a few years down the road. Usually after a few years the bottom row tiles will need to be removed. The shower tray or bath taken out & refitted using a quality product like easy seal, classic seal etc.
Also stay away from anyone telling you that they are a bathroom fitter. This means that they are neither a plumber or a tiler.

Jim1000

ok

woodturner

Tile the whole kitchen floor. You can get 8x4 sheets of 4mm ply and cover them before the kitchen is fitted to prevent damage.

Jim1000

Hang Bathroom rad. Before or after wwall tiling. ?

Sleeper12

Jim1000 wrote:

Hang Bathroom rad. Before or after wwall tiling. ?

After.

King Mallie

Sleeper12 wrote: »

This is one handyman you need to stay away from. A real tiler would never rely totally on silicone. Silicone is only waterproof for a few years. Less than that if you have movement in the floor. This type of job causes nightmares for the homeowner a few years down the road. Usually after a few years the bottom row tiles will need to be removed. The shower tray or bath taken out & refitted using a quality product like easy seal, classic seal etc.
Also stay away from anyone telling you that they are a bathroom fitter. This means that they are neither a plumber or a tiler.

This defamation of my good character and I have tiled 1000's of houses and never had an issue.
I will take legal action if you do not apologise for your unfounded remarks

Zaph

King Mallie wrote: »

This defamation of my good character and I have tiled 1000's of houses and never had an issue.
I will take legal action if you do not apologise for your unfounded remarks

OK, this can go one of two ways. You can either be sitebanned for threatening legal action against another poster (and Boards, I've seen your reported post), or you can stop this nonsense now. Because neither you nor Sleeper12 are using your real names, there is no issue of defamation here, no matter how good your character is. Quite simply, under Irish law you cannot defame a pseudonym. Now that that's been clarified, please carry on and keep it civil or the forum mods may feel the need to take further action.

Sleeper12

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Sleeper12,
Please don't continue to go down this road, asking someone using a pseudonym to do something that could identify them may not be wise considering Zaph's wording above.

It would be best if you just let this go, it's not worth it , thank you.

kev1.3s

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kev1.3s wrote: »

My recommended procedure is a classic seal used in conjunction with blanke aqua shield or similar and finished off with a good quality silicone, not sanitry sealent!

Sleeper12

OK. Not naming names here. I'm asking the questions below so anyone reading this thread knows the right & wrong way to tile & possibly the consequences of a botch job. It is the DIY forum but if mods feel I'm trying to stir it then I'm happy for my comments to be removed as this is not the case. I just feel people reading looking for advise get good advice.

I think its really important That properly trained qualified tilers speak here. What is Best practice for sealing a bath /shower and tiles at the time of a new fit of a full bathroom remodel. What materials would you use etc.

I am asking any Plumbers who may read this thread (because they usually have to repair the damage) to give their opinion what is the best way to seal a shower tray when tiling. It would be great if this could be based on what type of seal you had to repair or what type of seal you never had to repair.

The only one I would personally use is a classic seal type seal http://www.classic-marble.com/classi_seal.php

Guru Maith Agut

Jim1000 wrote: »

Hello folks,

rooms ready now but is it better to completely tile the bathroom first(floor an walls) or put in the bath,sink,toilet etc first.

Jim

Tile the whole bathroom first and then fit Bath, toilet and sink. Have a professional plumber in at present and he maintains that is the only way to ensure good water seal. Leaving the job to silicone is pointless when you will have to repair after a few years depending on water hardness etc.

Sure, it means you will need more tiles but at least its done properly. Also much easier to cut tiles at right angles than curves around toilets and sink pedestals.

Jim1000

thanks lads

guru, as I understand it, regardless of tiling the whole bathroom or not, the bath still needs a seal where it hits the wall. Even if below the bath is tiled, you still cannot allow water to enter there.

Bonzo Delaney

Guru Maith Agut wrote: »

Tile the whole bathroom first and then fit Bath, toilet and sink. Have a professional plumber in at present and he maintains that is the only way to ensure good water seal. Leaving the job to silicone is pointless when you will have to repair after a few years depending on water hardness etc.

Sure, it means you will need more tiles but at least its done properly. Also much easier to cut tiles at right angles than curves around toilets and sink pedestals.

Never seen a bath fitted like that .
In my opinion that's just asking for trouble
Fit bath first with classic seal or else get a bath with a built in up stand still fit first though
Tile entire bathroom
Then fit sanitary wear

The last thing you want is water getting behind the bath and water stagnating there where it can't escape
I under stand what your Plummer is thinking but
In that case tank the bathroom first then fit bath and then tile.
This lark of fitting baths after tiles is crazy talk.

Bonzo Delaney

woodturner wrote: »

Tile the whole kitchen floor. You can get 8x4 sheets of 4mm ply and cover them before the kitchen is fitted to prevent damage.

If you are doing this make sure you put down a floating floor foam layer first between the tiles and temporary ply/ hard board especially if it's glazed tiles of finished timber floors. Was on a job recently wher the contractor laid hardboard over the tiles and finished floors and when lifted the floors were all scratched from the friction between the two layers

Guru Maith Agut

Yeah sorry, I didn't make myself totally clear. What I meant was that no tiles below the level of the bath edge would be a no-no. Obviously a sealant of some sort along the bath edges is necessary to prevent leakage down the sides etc. But tiling the whole wall below the bath and underneath before its fitted into place was what I was told.

My bad