Dairy farm wages

carrollsno1

What should i hourly rate should i look for been through 2 years ag college have experience on big herds AI and hoof paring dont want to get rode by the farmer and dont want to ride him dont want to hear about a bad milk price either thanks in advance

Dawggone

carrollsno1 wrote: »

What should i hourly rate should i look for been through 2 years ag college have experience on big herds AI and hoof paring dont want to get rode by the farmer and dont want to ride him dont want to hear about a bad milk price either thanks in advance

What Ag University?

carrollsno1

Dawggone wrote: »

What Ag University?

Kildalton

Dawggone

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Kildalton

€36k p.a gross.

draiochtanois

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carrollsno1

Dawggone wrote: »

€36k p.a gross.

Not going to be there for the year it could be a possibility but i hope to travel a bit again next year was in the uk but got f****d over with overtime days off and ending up being first in last out most days due to other members of staff slowing me up

carrollsno1

draiochtanois wrote: »

Milking cows isn't rocket science, something slightly over minimum wage say €12 per hour.

Before tax i presume

draiochtanois

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carrollsno1

draiochtanois wrote: »

Yes before tax.

If you want to be paid more, you would need to be add more value. Something along the lines of:

Breeding selection.
Record keeping.
Cost control.
etc

It would be a fair wage for both sides wouldnt it

3 the square

draiochtanois wrote: »

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SEEMS FAIRLY SMALL MONEY TO ME I PAY LAD TO MILK THE COWS 50 EURO A MILKING
YOU WOULD GET 12 EURO AN HOUR IN DUNNES FOR TIPPING AROUND.

Sam Kade

3 the square wrote: »

SEEMS FAIRLY SMALL MONEY TO ME I PAY LAD TO MILK THE COWS 50 EURO A MILKING
YOU WOULD GET 12 EURO AN HOUR IN DUNNES FOR TIPPING AROUND.

Well there's no need to shout about it

Timmaay

draiochtanois wrote: »

Milking cows isn't rocket science, something slightly over minimum wage say €12 per hour.

Depends on afew things, if your doing the typical 10 rows of cows in the 60-90mins and expect a chap to be largely always available to milk at your regular hours, and hence limit his options for alternative work, then he will full sure expect more than 12e/hour. It depends on the time of year also, you can get away with any basic reactively unskilled labourer to milk outside of calving and breeding season, however do not expect them to be anywhere up to you own level of ability to spot problems, heats, etc. In my case I've only got about 7rows at peak (only 3 in the winter), the chaps I have get over 30/e at quiet times of the year (they are on a fixed fee per milking all year around), however I'm happy they all have years of experience of working on farms, and I can call up any of them as short notice and know they will get the job done, and that I'll be notified of any problems/issues etc.

_Brian

3 the square wrote: »

SEEMS FAIRLY SMALL MONEY TO ME I PAY LAD TO MILK THE COWS 50 EURO A MILKING
YOU WOULD GET 12 EURO AN HOUR IN DUNNES FOR TIPPING AROUND.

You cant really compare the two things really..

One guy is getting the odd call for you and probably can't rely on a steady X milkings over the year..

Knowing you're going to be there full time and getting €12/hr is different, after tax and crap he'd probably have ~€20k for a year, your occasional milker isn't likely to get that from you even though your paying €20/25 per hr..

3 the square

_Brian wrote: »

You cant really compare the two things really..

One guy is getting the odd call for you and probably can't rely on a steady X milkings over the year..

Knowing you're going to be there full time and getting €12/hr is different, after tax and crap he'd probably have ~€20k for a year, your occasional milker isn't likely to get that from you even though your paying €20/25 per hr..

I HAD HIM FULL TIME FROM MARCH TILL NOVEMBER HE IS A SERIOUS GUY WITH COWS
GOOD MEN ARE HARD TO COME BY AND WORTH MINDING WHEN U GET ONE..

_Brian

3 the square wrote: »

I HAD HIM FULL TIME FROM MARCH TILL NOVEMBER HE IS A SERIOUS GUY WITH COWS
GOOD MEN ARE HARD TO COME BY AND WORTH MINDING WHEN U GET ONE..

Stop with the caps lock already !!

I take your point, but in general lads who are "paid by the milking" have no security and so its charged differently...

davidk1394

Im getting €10 an hour and getting fed aswell working part time on weekends and that

frazzledhome

carrollsno1 wrote: »

What should i hourly rate should i look for been through 2 years ag college have experience on big herds AI and hoof paring dont want to get rode by the farmer and dont want to ride him dont want to hear about a bad milk price either thanks in advance[/quote

What do you think you're worth per hour?
Would you be experienced enough to manage a farm? This will have a big bearing on your value.
Can you measure and budget grass?
Can you manage other staff?
Is there a specific area you could take charge of ie calf rearing?
Etc

whelan2

frazzledhome wrote: »

carrollsno1 wrote: »

What should i hourly rate should i look for been through 2 years ag college have experience on big herds AI and hoof paring dont want to get rode by the farmer and dont want to ride him dont want to hear about a bad milk price either thanks in advance[/quote

What do you think you're worth per hour?
Would you be experienced enough to manage a farm? This will have a big bearing on your value.
Can you measure and budget grass?
Can you manage other staff?
Is there a specific area you could take charge of ie calf rearing?
Etc

Agree you can not but a figure on it as each situation is different . There is a big difference between just doing milking and running the whole show.

carrollsno1

Certainly wont be running the show on the farm im on in the uk was getting £50 a day after tax in at 5 not out till 7 a lot of evenings every second week in at 7 was in charge of another member of staff main responsibilities were calving milking heat detection and any jobs that were below everyone else ie strippin pits and bedding and also a nice few night checks for calving and bulling

whelan2

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Certainly wont be running the show on the farm im on in the uk was getting £50 a day after tax in at 5 not out till 7 a lot of evenings every second week in at 7 was in charge of another member of staff main responsibilities were calving milking heat detection and any jobs that were below everyone else ie strippin pits and bedding and also a nice few night checks for calving and bulling

Last lad I had here was on a 3 day week, got 283 /week home after tax etc. He had very little responsibility and didnt milk on his own. Was in from 7 until 6. 30 mins for breakfast and 1 hour for dinner. This was nearly 3 years ago.

carrollsno1

whelan2 wrote: »

Last lad I had here was on a 3 day week, got 283 /week home after tax etc. He had very little responsibility and didnt milk on his own. Was in from 7 until 6. 30 mins for breakfast and 1 hour for dinner. This was nearly 3 years ago.

Wasnt too bad

whelan2

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Wasnt too bad

Was bad enough as I had to pay for breakages and milk penalties too:cool:

frazzledhome

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Certainly wont be running the show on the farm im on in the uk was getting £50 a day after tax in at 5 not out till 7 a lot of evenings every second week in at 7 was in charge of another member of staff main responsibilities were calving milking heat detection and any jobs that were below everyone else ie strippin pits and bedding and also a nice few night checks for calving and bulling

One more question before I commit to what I think your worth
What was your submission rate for ai?

carrollsno1

frazzledhome wrote: »

One more question before I commit to what I think your worth
What was your submission rate for ai?

Ive only done the course and a handful of cows not relying on it to bring up the wages but i have an interest in improving it theres no way i would be tking responsibility for Aiing the whole herd

frazzledhome

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Ive only done the course and a handful of cows not relying on it to bring up the wages but i have an interest in improving it theres no way i would be tking responsibility for Aiing the whole herd

There's the rub, I'd value you at €80/day gross till you get more experience and then to €100/day.

einn32

I wouldn't have a clue on what wage you should be looking for but it all depends on what you bring to the business usually. How can you improve the business and drive it forward? I see too many lads and lasses just thinking of it as a job and just going through the motions. Your wages come from the cows you're working with! Needless to say not damaging gear and causing penalities on produce is important. A reputation as a competent worker canopen up huge opportunities.

Would people here who have workers throw in other benefits for long term employees like attending courses etc. to better themselves and in turn your business? What about accommodation if required?

frazzledhome

einn32 wrote: »

I wouldn't have a clue on what wage you should be looking for but it all depends on what you bring to the business usually. How can you improve the business and drive it forward? I see too many lads and lasses just thinking of it as a job and just going through the motions. Your wages come from the cows you're working with! Needless to say not damaging gear and causing penalities on produce is important. A reputation as a competent worker canopen up huge opportunities.

Would people here who have workers throw in other benefits for long term employees like attending courses etc. to better themselves and in turn your business? What about accommodation if required?

We've 2 full time here and they get paid time to attend what ever courses they want, paid for by me.

One has done ai course and other seems to love attending calf rearing gigs.

I tried bonus schemes and found they cause only hardship. If a guys getting one and makes a slip it's hard to take away, I found anyway.

A worker loves nothing more than a day, morning or afternoon off on full pay every now and again and not taken out of holiday pay. As long as it cuts both ways though

Feckthis

frazzledhome wrote: »

We've 2 full time here and they get paid time to attend what ever courses they want, paid for by me.

One has done ai course and other seems to love attending calf rearing gigs.

I tried bonus schemes and found they cause only hardship. If a guys getting one and makes a slip it's hard to take away, I found anyway.

A worker loves nothing more than a day, morning or afternoon off on full pay every now and again and not taken out of holiday pay. As long as it cuts both ways though

Fair play to you frazz. That's how you keep them.

carrollsno1

frazzledhome wrote: »

There's the rub, I'd value you at €80/day gross till you get more experience and then to €100/day.

How longs that day most places i worked before there was no bother getting 100/110 a day but that was for 10 or 11 hours work

frazzledhome

carrollsno1 wrote: »

How longs that day most places i worked before there was no bother getting 10t0/110 a day but that was for 10 or 11 hours work

Dec and jan 8.30 to 5.30
Rest of year it's 6am to 6pm with 1 HR for breakfast and 1 for lunch

You've answered your own wuestion there

I find its never a bout money. Money is of course important to both parties but rarely the deal breaker once it's fair.