Ford Mondeo - 1.8 or 2.0TDCI

kop77

I'm in the market for a new motor and I was thinking of going to the UK for a 2008 / 2009 Ford Mondeo, possibly a Titanium model!

I was advised by my mechanic to avoid the 1.8's and only buy a 2.0TDCI as they are more reliable..... anyone care to confirm or deny :pac:

VRT on a 2009 2.0TDCI 6sp Titanium Mondeo is about 2200 Euro so I'd be looking at about 10,500 Euro in total for one with 60,000 to 70,000 miles on the clock,

canhefixit

I was in the same scenario as you few months back and I opted for the 1.8 in the end and very happy with it tbh, great mpg avg about 44/45 handy driving that is mostly motorway, what swayed me was it had no dpf which just eliminated any future hassle

Stallingrad

Had a focus with the 2.0TDci, it was a super engine, very refined with great performance. The 1.8 is an old yoke, a bit on/off in terms of power delivery, but has a good reputation too.

canhefixit

Stallingrad wrote: »

Had a focus with the 2.0TDci, it was a super engine, very refined with great performance. The 1.8 is an old yoke, a bit on/off in terms of power delivery, but has a good reputation too.

I dont know what you mean by "old yolk" but there is no lacking in power in the 1.8 and the mpg is great well depending how you drive same as any other car

Toyotafanboi

the 2.0 tdci is on the go since the mk2 Mondeo anyway isn't it? and it didn't have a great reputation in that. or is the current 2.0 tdci a different unit altogether?

the 1.8 tdci is just a messed around with 1.8 tddi i think which has been on the go since the 80's. i had a 1.8 tddi for a year or so with colossal mileage. wasn't the smoothest, but it was an absolute workhorse, never had any hassle and took great punishment.

Tweaky

The 1.8 has a very expensive timing belt replacement. It uses a wetbelt which adds significantly to the cost

kop77

Tweaky wrote: »

The 1.8 has a very expensive timing belt replacement. It uses a wetbelt which adds significantly to the cost

Yes,... that was one of the reasons I was told to buy the 2.0TDCI (I can't remember the rest as this conversation happened in a pub on New Years!)

on another note... a friend of mine had a 2009 1.8 and it gave injector problems which cost him a fair amount to fix, did the 1.8's suffer injector problems in general or could it have been down to poor quality diesel?

his Mondeo came down from the North.. and my mechanic friend told me diesel quality up there is pants!! :pac: ?

shietpilot

kop77 wrote: »

Yes,... that was one of the reasons I was told to buy the 2.0TDCI (I can't remember the rest as this conversation happened in a pub on New Years!)

on another note... a friend of mine had a 2009 1.8 and it gave injector problems which cost him a fair amount to fix, did the 1.8's suffer injector problems in general or could it have been down to poor quality diesel?

his Mondeo came down from the North.. and my mechanic friend told me diesel quality up there is pants!! :pac: ?

I never heard of major injector problems on a 1.8. It's probably down to bad diesel/bad fuel filter servicing (i.e. not changing it at all).

Standard stuff like dual mass flywheel will effect both cars. Same issue with the EGR valves.

Both engines are commonly used by taxi drivers and I haven't heard complaints from them when I spoke to a few of them when I was looking at the Focus.

The 1.8 does have a wet belt which was introduced in around 2007/2008 but you may get lucky. martinr5232 from Boards was able to tell me if the car came with a belt or chain when I gave him the reg/VIN number IIRC.

It shouldn't be an issue once it's changed at the correct intervals though. I know it's possible to replace the wet belt with a chain but that's extra cost you don't need right now!

I would go and take whichever one comes up with a good service history to be honest unless you need the extra power from the 2.0! The 1.8 is plenty nippy for the motorways

Toyotafanboi

it's just like all the cliches, your mechanic mate down the pub...

i think you run a reasonable risk of injector trouble at some point no matter what modern diesel you buy. diesel from reputable stations up north is every bit as good as it is in the south.

shietpilot

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i think you run a reasonable risk of injector trouble at some point no matter what modern diesel you buy. diesel from reputable stations up north is every bit as good as it is in the south.

This ^

The best prevention you can do is making sure the fuel filter is changed regularly. They are not expensive €25-ish on average but can be less and you can probably do them every 2nd service to be on the safe side!

Toyotafanboi

don't know if the Ci is different but after i changed the fuel filter on my Di, i honestly thought it may never start again. holy flipping jaysis.

shietpilot

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

don't know if the Ci is different but after i changed the fuel filter on my Di, i honestly thought it may never start again. holy flipping jaysis.

Same with the Ci. You need a vacuum pump to suck the air out and fill the filter housing with diesel.

When I followed the Haynes manual instruction on mine it started first time and didn't stop. It was like I didn't change it at all :pac:

demanufactured

Bought a 08 2.0 last July ...best car ive driven..very smooth on the motorway. ...I do a 100 mile round trip daily...very comfortable car.

kop77

Right so... I'm leaning towards the 2.0TDCI in a Zetec or if the bank manager lets me.. a Titanium model,

2009 model with 50,000 to 70,000 with a good service history and mileage check off www.totalcarcheck.co.uk and I should be good to go?

bazz26

The 1.8 TDCi is a Ford's own diesel engine that has been modified over years but dates back to the Sierra. In late 2007 they changed to a "wet belt" timing belt setup which has proved to be less than reliable, they have a tendency to snap prematurely on that engine. Costs about €800 to 900 to have it changed, depending on where you bring it. They also tend to go through flywheels a bit more frequently than the 2.0 TDCi.

The 2.0 TDCi in the 2009 Mondeo is a PSA unit also found in various Peugeots, Citroens and Volvos. Its more powerful and refined than the 1.8 TDCi but they have been known to suffer from injector problems.

Given a choice between the two I'd have the 2.0 TDCi over the 1.8 TDCi.

ShadowHearth

3 people at work have those diesel mondeo.

08 ( don't know milage) 1.8 no issues or major works on anything. Bought it brand new and She is very happy.
10 ( less then 60k miles) 1.8 bought it brand new and already had to change injectors. Had a few other small issues.
10 ( 90k miles) 2.0 titanium spec, no major issues. Bought it from UK, last year and put less then 10k miles so far. Very happy.

From everyone that I ask, all say go for 2.0 version as it's more reliable. Both 1.6 and 1.8 ford diesels marked as a no no.

_Brian

We bought a Mondeo last year, mechanic said same, keep away from 1.8.

We bought the 2.0 140BHP and its a treat to drive, 50-52 MPG all the time and plenty of grunt for overtaking.. Thinking of buying a second one and changing my jeep.

Jesus.

canhefixit wrote: »

I dont know what you mean by "old yolk" but there is no lacking in power in the 1.8

What's its power and weight?

canhefixit

Jesus. wrote: »

What's its power and weight?

Mine is 125bhp and not sure on the weight tbh

When i was buying I done good bit of research and diff people from taxi men to mechanics to forums to people who had them and I opted for the 1.8 in the end

People tell you about flywheels and injector problems along with snapped belts and dpf issue etc etc, the way I look at it is its all down to the life the car has had up until you get it

Mine had FFSH, 1 owner, 65k miles, in showroom condition, pulls like a train, great mpg etc

Id buy the same again no bother