Seamus Byrne faith healer?

LadyBetty

No judgement or smart comments please, I'm only asking this out of desperation.

Can anyone vouch for Seamus Byrne, the faith healer in Kilkenny? Think he's somewhere near Loughboy, or works out of the church there. Any success stories that you know of?

Dymo

I've no faith in him.

LadyBetty

Can I ask, is that based on your/other peoples' experiences or you just don't buy into faith healing? Thanks

catbear

Serious question, what is a faith healer and what exactly are they supposed to be able to do?

Tipsy McSwagger

catbear wrote: »

Serious question, what is a faith healer and what exactly are they supposed to be able to do?

Con artists

NIMAN

I find it sad that people like this either believe they can actually heal or be healed. Rightly or wrongly.

It often means the vunerable put their faith in an unqualified person at the expense of proper medicine.

If science and medical specialists can't heal you, a faith healer ain't going to.

catbear

NIMAN wrote: »

If science and medical specialists can't heal you, a faith healer ain't going to.

I'm in the dark here, can medicine heal faith, it there a Catholic or Muslim pill?

kikel

WIKI ENTRY:
Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief, such as in which faith is confidence based on some degree of warrant.

Faith doesn't always refer to religion. While not something I'm into, I do believe that we have to allow the OP get the feedback that she is looking for. Believing in something, anything can bring great peace to people. We don't know the OP situation and as she pointed out, she is desperate. OP, I hope you find what you are looking for.

Gaoth Laidir

LadyBetty wrote: »

No judgement or smart comments please, I'm only asking this out of desperation.

Can anyone vouch for Seamus Byrne, the faith healer in Kilkenny? Think he's somewhere near Loughboy, or works out of the church there. Any success stories that you know of?

Anyone who says they are a faith healer is a con artist. Simple.

The only faith people should focus on is in their body's ability to heal itself in many cases, if allowed to. Positive mental attitude can play some role in aiding recovery from some illnesses, and coupled with the right medical attention it is usually all that is required.

But if you feel that paying money to someone will help you develop a better mental attitude then go right ahead and see a faith healer.

kikel

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

But if you feel that paying money to someone will help you develop a better mental attitude then go right ahead and see a faith healer.

I've paid someone to help me develop a better mental attitude during a period of bad depression. Best thing I ever done! The brain an amazing part of the human body. I needs to be controlled, it affects everything other part of the body.

While this person didn't make me believe in a 'faith'. She did help me believe in myself. If it wasn't for her, I would of been another poor ****er pulled out of the river nore.

screamer

Dunno about him OP but I know if
Of someone who went to a female faith healer for months paid her a small fortune and although felt better in their head afterwards their health was deteriorating and refused to have medical treatment more than visit the gp. Worried about the person (part of my extended family) I decided to research their symptoms and came up with lupis. Low and behold the person got so bad they had to be hospitalised and after weeks of rafts of tests lupis was confirmed. Their recovery took years.

Sometimes the only person you need to have faith in is yourself.
If your current doctor or consultant is not helping then get another opinion.

Cabaal

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

The only faith people should focus on is in their body's ability to heal itself in many cases, if allowed to. Positive mental attitude can play some role in aiding recovery from some illnesses, and coupled with the right medical attention it is usually all that is required.

But if you feel that paying money to someone will help you develop a better mental attitude then go right ahead and see a faith healer.

But thats not what faith healers claim, faith healers claim they can cure illness in a majority of cases. This isn't about mental health, its an outright con to obtain money from vulnerable people.

Its no different to so called physics claiming a person will be suddenly cured of cancer - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/psychic-apologises-to-cancer-victims-family-for-getting-diagnosis-wrong-34257135.html

If you want positive mental health then there are plenty of ways of improving things many of which are free, but giving money to a faith healer is really just emptying your pockets

LadyBetty

Thanks Kikel for not being completely dismissive. Glad to hear you successfully came through bad depression in the past.

Snort all ye want but I am not interested in being ripped off by some charlatan either - from what I gather "genuine" faith healers do not charge money/charge nominal fee/ask for donation of amount you deem appropriate. I am not willing to hand over big bucks to anyone for this, don't have it anyway!

The medical world can't do much else for my husband. Numerous hospital visits, consultations, MRIs, scans and endless GP visits over the past number of years have left us with the choice of:
a) put up with the pain
b) life-changing surgery

We are still fairly young & have a young baby - hence my desperation.

If people cannot answer my initial question then I would prefer no responses to the predictable cynicism posted already (which I expressly said I wasn't looking for in my OP).

Gaoth Laidir

LadyBetty wrote: »

Thanks Kikel for not being completely dismissive. Glad to hear you successfully came through bad depression in the past.

Snort all ye want but I am not interested in being ripped off by some charlatan either - from what I gather "genuine" faith healers do not charge money/charge nominal fee/ask for donation of amount you deem appropriate. I am not willing to hand over big bucks to anyone for this, don't have it anyway!

The medical world can't do much else for my husband. Numerous hospital visits, consultations, MRIs, scans and endless GP visits over the past number of years have left us with the choice of:
a) put up with the pain
b) life-changing surgery

We are still fairly young & have a young baby - hence my desperation.

If people cannot answer my initial question then I would prefer no responses to the predictable cynicism posted already (which I expressly said I wasn't looking for in my OP).

I really feel for your situation and in no way meant to cause offence by my reply.

Your question was asking about any opinions/stories about a certain faith healer. Like it or not, faith healers are con artists, preying on the vulnerable in their time of need. I am sure the healer you asked about is no different, given that he too calls himself one. I would put them on an even level with scientologists, who refuse medical treatment. You have already sought medical advice and have been left with the option of surgery. If that and a faith healer are your only two options left then I would most certainly go for the former.

catbear

Why don't yo go for the surgery?

While I am a big advocate of positivity during illness it's not a placebo that's needed here.

I've seen someone refuse medical intervention before and they died well before their time leaving behind a young family. I really can't respect that.

Edit to add: Sorry if a bit harsh but ultimately it sounds like who you need to talk most to is someone who has already been through the medical procedure, that's what will give the greatest piece of mind.

Yamanoto

LadyBetty wrote: »

If people cannot answer my initial question then I would prefer no responses to the predictable cynicism posted already (which I expressly said I wasn't looking for in my OP).

It's a subject matter that by definition is going to elicit responses of a sceptical nature. Boards is a discussion forum too, so it's a touch naive to think everyone's gonna chime in on your terms alone.

I doubt there's a poster here who doesn't empathise with you and wish you & your husband well OP.

Article below on the faith healer you're seeking information on - all depressingly predictable guff imho.

https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-163512672.html

RobertKK

I am not saying I believe in faith healers, but I have a relation who had a blood disorder which made his skin very itchy and he had some other complaints. He went to a faith healer after doctors in a leading Dublin hospital told him they could not cure him as he needed the drugs he was on for his other complaints and the other drugs would react with the ones he was on, and he was getting desperate at this stage as he was constantly itchy.
So he went to the faith healer, can't remember who she was, but she prayed and said Jesus had cured him, he didn't feel any better, went home disappointed, woke up the next morning and was cured.
He went back to the doctors who said they couldn't cure him, and they said said they couldn't explain how he got cured overnight as tests showed he was clear of his blood disorder.
It is something for the X-Files.

Gaoth Laidir

RobertKK wrote: »

I am not saying I believe in faith healers, but I have a relation who had a blood disorder which made his skin very itchy and he had some other complaints. He went to a faith healer after doctors in a leading Dublin hospital told him they could not cure him as he needed the drugs he was on for his other complaints and the other drugs would react with the ones he was on, and he was getting desperate at this stage as he was constantly itchy.
So he went to the faith healer, can't remember who she was, but she prayed and said Jesus had cured him, he didn't feel any better, went home disappointed, woke up the next morning and was cured.
He went back to the doctors who said they couldn't cure him, and they said said they couldn't explain how he got cured overnight as tests showed he was clear of his blood disorder.
It is something for the X-Files.

And this type of unexplained recovery happens all the time, with or without faith healers.

It could be that your relative actually believed what the healer told him and this change in mental outlook allowed the body heal itself, as I outlined previously. Remember, stress causes a whole array of illnesses, so it stands to reason that when you remove that stress you may remove the illness.

Or it could be just coincidence.

PlainP

My mother developed a pain emanating from her back/ bum cheek right down her leg. She went to osteopaths & doctors. The local GP told her it was sciatica and prescribe pain killers. Unfortunately for her any of the pain medication that was prescribed to her she could not take it as it affected her stomach. So she suffered for ages with the pain.

Eventually the osteopath recommended that she see a certain Doctor in the Santry Sports clinic. He gave her an MRI and found out the issue. She has since had an operation to pare back one of her vertabre which had been crushing the nerves in her back. She is recovering amazingly. Still a bit of pain but recovering.

Now what's this to do with faith healers? Friends of my mother ( my Mam would be in her late 60's) before she had the operation recommended that she see some faith healer. I immediately laughed when she told me. She would be fairly religious and her friends said that this man "cured" someone else who the same problem as my mother. They also told her not to have the operation as she could end up with a floppy foot!

Well she went to him. He presses her back for a while, got her bend over. He then proceeded to tell her that her hip joint was the issue and that treatment for this would be rubbing olive oil on her back for 15 minutes every morning!!!!

This was after she had the MRI which showed exactly what the problem was.

So personally I really wouldn't be putting my faith in anyone who claims that they can "heal" in this way.

I really do feel for your husband as I know from my Mam she felt helpless with the pain she was experiencing and it was out of desperation that she would have went to the faith healer.

If you do decide to go to the faith healer don't get your hopes up that they will have a magic cure for your husband.

All the best.

screamer

They don't charge or ask for a set fee OP not because they are sharing their healing gift. Do you know why they dont have a set fee? Because then whatever you give them is classes a gift and tax free. Id say few people go in without giving 50 quid in the hope of a cure. Cha ching great money spinner if you can find people who believe they'll be cured............ there's a lot of those faith healers who make a solid fortune and that's why they do it. Id rather give my money to a doctor any day.

endacl

I've a jar of Anguis Oleum here that I'm not using, if anybody wants it?

Gaoth Laidir

So he told her not to have an operation? So he's qualified to give medical advice too?

I am a firm believer in caveat emptor (buyer beware) but this type of person is only interested in those desperate/naive/gullible enough to believe them.

PlainP

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

So he told her not to have an operation? So he's qualified to give medical advice too?

I am a firm believer in caveat emptor (buyer beware) but this type of person is only interested in those desperate/naive/gullible enough to believe them.

No, her friends told her not to have the operation. The healer told her to rub olive oil on her back for 15 mins every morning.

RobertKK

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

And this type of unexplained recovery happens all the time, with or without faith healers.

It could be that your relative actually believed what the healer told him and this change in mental outlook allowed the body heal itself, as I outlined previously. Remember, stress causes a whole array of illnesses, so it stands to reason that when you remove that stress you may remove the illness.

Or it could be just coincidence.

I would depend on doctors rather than faith healers, but then if one is desperate...
To put your post in context, there is where Jesus says in the bible 'your faith has healed you'.
I don't know, all I know is he said he was better the next day, and he is a very sincere person.

catbear

robert, you're using biblical text to bolster a secondhand account of a sincere person.

A axe murderer is sincere in their intent as they chase you down the street!!!!

A persons faith may help them through an illness but its not an alternative to medical care.

RobertKK

catbear wrote: »

robert, you're using biblical text to bolster a secondhand account of a sincere person.

A axe murderer is sincere in their intent as they chase you down the street!!!!

A persons faith may help them through an illness but its not an alternative to medical care.

I never said it was an alternative to medical care.
The biblical text is similar to describing the placebo effect.

catbear

RobertKK wrote: »

I never said it was an alternative to medical care.
The biblical text is similar to describing the placebo effect.

Fair enough.

raze_them_all_

What I love about medicine is that it adapts, if some zaney new treatment is effective, it is tested and becomes recognised, all the silly stuff like faith healing is rightfully scoffed at

catbear

I wonder how Homeopaths Without Borders got on with their mission to the recent Ebola outbreaks.

King Mallie

Guys the op asked a question and no one bothered to answer which is very sad.

If you had no contact with this person then their is no need to start pushing your opinions down op throat. The world is a wonderful place and would it be absolutely if this lady got her miracle...

So why don't we all just wish positive outcome to the op.

Gaoth Laidir

King Mallie wrote: »

Guys the op asked a question and no one bothered to answer which is very sad.

If you had no contact with this person then their is no need to start pushing your opinions down op throat. The world is a wonderful place and would it be absolutely if this lady got her miracle...

So why don't we all just wish positive outcome to the op.

I and others did wish a positive outcome on the op. Read the replies again.

We also answered her question. She asked about opinions on this faith healer. We gave her answers that maybe she didn't want to hear but that is life. If you made your comment because you think someone should tell her yes, definitely go and try this guy because he is great, then I'm afraid you are wrong. We are offering her clarity and honesty in what is a difficult period for her. You are not, which is very sad.

BorneTobyWilde

We have to have faith.
Faith?
Yes, faith !
It's an interesting concept.
If you read the Bible,
you can't miss it. Faith!!

Maybe he needs a change of diet, gluten free.

catbear

King Mallie wrote: »

If you had no contact with this person then their is no need to start pushing your opinions down op throat. The world is a wonderful place and would it be absolutely if this lady got her miracle...

So why don't we all just wish positive outcome to the op.

Are you promoting waiting on a miracle over the ops medical option?

King Mallie

catbear wrote: »

Are you promoting waiting on a miracle over the ops medical option?

Where did I say not to get medical attention????

Please get down off your soapbox and everyone are entitled to their views.

King Mallie

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

I and others did wish a positive outcome on the op. Read the replies again.

We also answered her question. She asked about opinions on this faith healer. We gave her answers that maybe she didn't want to hear but that is life. If you made your comment because you think someone should tell her yes, definitely go and try this guy because he is great, then I'm afraid you are wrong. We are offering her clarity and honesty in what is a difficult period for her. You are not, which is very sad.

Op asked for no smart comments and guess wat your have done.....

raze_them_all_

The no smart comments are any that encourage her that faith healing is real

Gaoth Laidir

King Mallie wrote: »

Op asked for no smart comments and guess wat your have done.....

Smart comment? Oh, you mean smart as in sensible. Thanks!

Cabaal

To be fair, to many faith healers are up there fairy's in relation to how real they are.

I understand that its a difficult situation for the OP and I certainly don't envy them and I hope things improve. But I imagine to many asking for no comments to be made in relation to faith healers is like asking for no smart comments about fairy's being real.

catbear

King Mallie wrote: »

Where did I say not to get medical attention????

King Mallie wrote: »

If you had no contact with this person then their is no need to start pushing your opinions down op throat. The world is a wonderful place and would it be absolutely if this lady got her miracle...

So why don't we all just wish positive outcome to the op.

Get this straight. A miracle is a divine intervention and not a medical procedure.

You pushed the opinion that the op gets a divine intervention when there is a medical solution to the problem available.

When my own family have needed medical intervention I didn't ascribe a positive result in a standard procedure as a miracle because it wasn't.

DerryRed

sparxz

Did you find your answer?

ninidoherty

Dymo wrote: »

I've no faith in him.

@Dymo can I ask if you’re speaking from experience, please? I am also trying to find info, as a family member is attending him. Thank you.