Square baler Sleigh/sledge

Butters_99

Has anyone out there come across a cost effective bale sleigh that actually works and is strong. I dont want to go flat 8 as i have a system for bringing in the bales already i just need a way to gather them in the field. A couple of local lads have told me about the way Coolmore do there baling that seems like a lot of money but i cant even find one. Was originally looking for a fresh Tanco one but seem impossible to find. I can get one made if it comes to it but nows the time to be thinking about these things. Espeicially making something for Hay.

The real killer is i know where there is a sleigh that is a Spang new Tanco sleigh hanging from a roof but the women that owns it will only sell it with the baler.

Another question while i am on this is did the bale counters for the New Holland 570 ever work. I cant seem to get it to clock every bale. It clocks maybe every third Bale. Any solutions.

fergus1001

The bale counter is defective, you should be able to get one in your local dealer they are not that expensive !

I would go the accumulator route if you have a good baler with a good set of knotters, buy an accumulator and a grab for the front of the tractor saves some hardship !

Butters_99

We do around 4000 bales. We use 48 bale grab (extra row along the top) and the 21 for the front we normally dont have a problem this way and i also do a nice bit of baling around for other farmers and the flat 8 wouldnt be suitable for going around in there fields as they are small 3-4 acres and are tight with the flat 8 system I prefer to stick with the standard sleigh/basket. Nothing against flat 8 but it dosent suit my needs and budget as it would be a revamp of my other equipment.

The counter on the baler is new but the chain and spring had been changed before I got the baler as i found out of a local mechanic. Are they just a matter of finding the sweet spot.

tomwaterford

Get someone with you and push the flywheel by hand over and over until you get it right (or the other poor soul cracks up :pac: )

Butters_99

Will Clock when doing that but wont when in the field. Even stumped someone who was repairing these. Couldnt Figure it out.

tomwaterford

Butters_99 wrote: »

Will Clock when doing that but wont when in the field. Even stumped someone who was repairing these. Couldnt Figure it out.

Vibration in the clock not working right in the field??
Need someone sitting up on it when baling to understand fully IMO
(Remember a mechanic sitting on a baler here years ago when some lad in baking for the father-showing me age!!)



Try baling up a round bale drive into it...and have baler at full tilt and see then as a pure pain in stones waiting until the summer??

Butters_99

Ya i was thinking of runing a big square through it on Saturday as there is a mechanic coming to the yard. Anyone have a opinion on the sleigh as thats really what i am trying to figure out at the minute.

Belongamick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmhVMA55n1E

No sure if this is any help but it might offer a few ideas.
This is the simplest one I came accross - there are more 'engineered' ones out there with hydraulic tiines to hold the bale in place but simple is usually more reliable.:)

bogman_bass

This is a nice simple system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO6KEnpRyy0

Butters_99

I dont need the bales to be left off automatically as that would mess with the way we collect them in the field. I just need a sleigh/ basket. Does anyone have any experience with the Coolmore way of baling (i cant link the youtube ear to the ground did a documentary). I know the man that runs the balers but he says it barely damages the bales. Does anyone have any recommendations as i will probably get a local steel shop to make it.

Tanco style sleigh or Coolmore Style which one is the question.

This was a problem the last few years as there was no sleigh with the baler originally and we bought 2 weak ones over the last 2 years but they didnt last. This would be my first year owning the baler myself and not driving it for my father so it would be the time to sort it out For Good.

pedigree 6

Not sure if this is any help to you but this is a fairly impressive operation none the less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1pmcWlluoY

Butters_99

Cool way of doing it but 30,000 is alot of money for 4-6000 bales of hay a year.
Have a look at Coolmores way
Theres a few videos up i aint allowed to post links so just google Coolmore at hay

What you think of this way? i know its not automatic but seems to similar to set up i have.

pedigree 6

This might get ye some help.

Nekarsulm

Are you thinking of one of the sleighs than just have the trailing strips of metal for a floor, and a role you pull to open the door when it's full?
Work grand if you never need to bring it on the road.

Re. the woman with the sleigh, why not buy it and the baler and flog the baler in the summer?

Butters_99

Re. the woman with the sleigh, why not buy it and the baler and flog the baler in the summer?[/QUOTE]

The women is asking way to much for the baler she has. Not putting the baler down but it needs tlc parted in a shed for 15yrs nearly the age of myself and shes asking €6000 wouldnt get as much to resell plus short on money.

The coolmore way is the way to go but where would you start on making one of those.

Tanco (draged, some came with a trailer for road, thin metal strips along the ground, and in tanco blue) made the best but the problem is around me theres a contractor that buys any he comes across as i missed out on one last year right beside where i live.

I will probaly have to talk to the metal shop and see what the prices of both would be if i get any sort of design or machine for him to copy.

Nekarsulm

If you want measurments of a Tanco one (no wheels/trailer) I can sort you out. I can't see there being more than three hundred euro of steel in them anyway.

Butters_99

Ya i got a rough price of 400-600€ all in welded, painted, and labour.

All i need is an image of the gate as i would make up measurements to suit my system.
But still 50/50 on the Coolmore type as there would be less draging and the small bit extra reverse room if needed as its on wheels. Do you think this would put pressure on the baler. I have a fairly heavy hitch for a sleigh already on it but the weight down on top of the chamber. The baler is 1990's new holland 570.

Tanco style never came from factory with wheels or trailer but most of the people that said they had one had a buggy that came from main dealer of them. Described to me as a T with wheels and a hitch that the sleigh could be put on top and pined to it to move it along the road.

Nekarsulm

It's disassembled and up on a loft.
I'll get up there tomorrow and take a few pics and measurments.

Nekarsulm

http://imgur.com/a/mgQcj

The main "hoop" is 76 inches across. The actual gate itself is 22 inches high, and hanging 12 inches below the top of the "hoop"

charlesodowd

Have you heard of the Kemper Ballen Automat Express be125



Link here to video of her in action.

Sorry I know it's not much use to you but I can't resist sharing what is an epic piece of machinery, albeit not without it's faults.

Watch at the end where they unload the bales, gave me a pleasant surprise.

Butters_99

Them kempers are some piece of machinery but they would require people in the shed. We use the 40 bale system for the back of the tractor and drop them into the shed and we have another 21 bale grab for the front and drop them on top of the 40s and no need to stack them unless we have to many bales or if we round bale some.
Very fast system 3-5 people and would put in 2-3000 bales a day depending on how close to the shed you are. And the weight of the tractor XD so it wont tip up. Farmers around us give a hand with each others hay so we have no problem with helpers. Plus whats farming with out the hardship.

Thanks for the measurements Nekarsulm. The gate is by far the hardest piece to get right as the rest is pipe work.

Farrell

Butters_99 wrote: »

Them kempers are some piece of machinery but they would require people in the shed. We use the 40 bale system for the back of the tractor and drop them into the shed and we have another 21 bale grab for the front and drop them on top of the 40s and no need to stack them unless we have to many bales or if we round bale some.
Very fast system 3-5 people and would put in 2-3000 bales a day depending on how close to the shed you are. And the weight of the tractor XD so it wont tip up. Farmers around us give a hand with each others hay so we have no problem with helpers. Plus whats farming with out the hardship.

Thanks for the measurements Nekarsulm. The gate is by far the hardest piece to get right as the rest is pipe work.

Is there a way to go from flat 8 on the ground to be able to lift with the 40', bar manual handling

tractorporn

Would you not look up the contractors that are on the ear to the ground clip and ask them where they get the sleighs?

Butters_99

The flat 8 system was originally made with the sleigh, a front loader grab and a trailer that carry's 56 but this system is really expensive and hard to come by in good condition. The trailer is harder to use in and around sheds for obvious reasons but you can go higher in the shed by stacking with the tractor again as long as your loader has the reach. My father told me he used to use a 56 bale grab after work to draw in bales with a Council Mf135 for pocket money. Id say they would take a bit of getting used to.

We know the contractor for coolmore and he would probably lend it to me for a few days after all they have 16 of them but dont want to ask unless really need to as you dont know what kind of a deal he has going on with coolmore and dont want land him in any ****.
They make them in Coolmore so they probably couldn't be bought. I think i will stick with the usual system and copy the tanco sleigh and could always make the other system myself over the summer if i didnt like the sleigh.