Top 5 heavyweights right now

badabing106

Who do you think are the top guys right now and in what order

1.Tyson Fury
2.Wlad Klitschko
3.Alexander Povetkin
4.Luis Ortiz
5.Kubrat Pulev

Dick phelan

I'd have it the exact same tbh, although AJ could maybe beat Pulev right now.

Andre 3000

Fury
Wlad
Povetkin
Ortiz
Parker

Dick phelan

Parker FFS even worse record then Joshua, the guy literally hasn't beaten anyone in the top 100, Parkers not even in the top 15 let alone top 5.

Mantis Toboggan

I'd go with:

Fury
Vlad
Wilder
Povetkin
Joshua

thierry14

No Haye?

Come on.

I dont like him either but he beats everyone besides Wlad, Fury and maybe Povetkin.

Parker and Joshua are untested, Ortiz has fought at a higher level so I agree with his inclusion, Wilder is defending champion and doing the business

1.Fury
2.Wlad
3.Povetkin
4.Haye
5.Wilder

badabing106

Its amazing how little top 5 heavyweight fighters fight these days!

Fury and klitschko didnt fight in 2016, povetkin has his first fight in 2016 next week

Rainman16

I would still put Wlad at No.1. I know he lost a fight to Fury, But I don't believe he was himself that night, and if they had fought again soon after, I think Wlad would have been victorious.

2nd for me is Fury, But only because of inactivity in the division, I believe if he came up against Wilder or Joshua, he would be defeated.

3rd Deontay Wilder

4th Anthony Joshua

5th Alex Povetkin.

Henno30

Hard to know where to place AJ. He has beaten nothing.

walshb

Hard to place any of them when they aren't actually fighting each other.

For me Wilder is the most dangerous. I would put money on him to be the most successful if they all met each other.

Danye

See AJ has changed trainer although changed might be a strong word. He seemed to spend a huge amount of time in Sheffield with Team GB in anyway.

HigginsJ

1. AJ
2. Wlad - If his performance against Fury was real then he is not top 5.
3. Wilder - People criticise AJ but Wilderhas had a softer time of it IMO
4. Ortiz - His last fight was shambolic but he looked terrifying before that
5. Haye - If his head was fully in the game he could beat all of the above, hopefully once the Bellew nonsense is out of the way he can build to a title shot

Dick phelan

I'm sorry you have very little boxing knowledge if you have Joshua at number 1 and don't have Fury even in the top 5.

1 Fury- Beat the man in his back yard clearly number 1
2 Klitschko
3 Ortiz
4 Wilder
5 Joshua

Danye

Molina at 14/1 - any takers?

HigginsJ

I didn't fancy ranking the often fat, oft retired, alleged drug cheat Tyson Fury. Hard for anyone to beat the guy when he can't get into the ring.

Rainman16

Dick phelan wrote: »

I'm sorry you have very little boxing knowledge if you have Joshua at number 1 and don't have Fury even in the top 5.

1 Fury- Beat the man in his back yard clearly number 1
2 Klitschko
3 Ortiz
4 Wilder
5 Joshua

Joshua has the potential to be No.1 but I can't put him there yet, until he proves himself against Klitschko or Wilder. I really don't know what to make of Fury. I can't shake the feeling that If Klitschko got another crack at him or he faced AJ or Wilder, he would get his clock cleaned. I don't rate Ortiz at all to be honest

walshb

Dick phelan wrote: »

I'm sorry you have very little boxing knowledge if you have Joshua at number 1 and don't have Fury even in the top 5.

1 Fury- Beat the man in his back yard clearly number 1
2 Klitschko
3 Ortiz
4 Wilder
5 Joshua

I'd back Wilder and AJ and Haye to KO Fury handily. Ortiz too...

Does that mean I don't have a clue. Apart from Fury's one single win over a cowardly Wlad going on 13 months now what has he done, apart from coke and gaining weight?

Dick phelan

walshb wrote: »

I'd back Wilder and AJ and Haye to KO Fury handily. Ortiz too...

Does that mean I don't have a clue. Apart from Fury's one single win over a cowardly Wlad going on 13 months now what has he done, apart from coke and gaining weight?

You mean his win over a 10 year long world champion in his back yard, the undisputed number 1 in the world, What's Joshua ever done, Charles Martin, Whyte, Brezeale, even that one win for Fury has him miles ahead atm because it's so far ahead of anything Joshua or Wilder have ever done, Wilder's only decent win is Stiverne, Fury's is Klitschko. As for Haye in the last 7 years his best win is Chisora, since then he's beaten two absolute bums and is now fighting a CW former LHW.

But ye he deserves to be ahead of a guy who dethroned the second longest reigning champion in history. Give over that Fury win is the best by a British fighter in a decade your dismissing it like it was nothing. Fury is the man who beat the man, if it was Joshua who had beaten Klitschko who the number 1 HW was wouldn't even be up for discussion, people let their personal hate for Fury cloud their judgment, that win is miles and miles above anything Joshua or Wilder have done and he deserves proper credit for it. PS Wilder is a KO waiting to happen, Fury, Joshua, Povetkin, Klitschko and Ortiz all beat him.

walshb

Dick phelan wrote: »

You mean his win over a 10 year long world champion in his back yard, the undisputed number 1 in the world, What's Joshua ever done, Charles Martin, Whyte, Brezeale, even that one win for Fury has him miles ahead atm because it's so far ahead of anything Joshua or Wilder have ever done, Wilder's only decent win is Stiverne, Fury's is Klitschko. As for Haye in the last 7 years his best win is Chisora, since then he's beaten two absolute bums and is now fighting a CW former LHW.

But ye he deserves to be ahead of a guy who dethroned the second longest reigning champion in history. Give over that Fury win is the best by a British fighter in a decade your dismissing it like it was nothing. Fury is the man who beat the man, if it was Joshua who had beaten Klitschko who the number 1 HW was wouldn't even be up for discussion, people let their personal hate for Fury cloud their judgment, that win is miles and miles above anything Joshua or Wilder have done and he deserves proper credit for it. PS Wilder is a KO waiting to happen, Fury, Joshua, Povetkin, Klitschko and Ortiz all beat him.

Like I said, apart from that win (over a faded and cowardly Wlad) where neither man landed a single decent punch, what has he done? As regards beating the top name, yes, Wlad is the name. I get that. I would still give Fury little chance to beat AJ/Haye/Wilder and Ortiz, hence someone not including him in their top 5 HWs is not odd IMO. I am not saying the others have lit the world on fire. I would rank as regards who I see beating who. And for me Fury loses badly against at least 3-4 men in the division.

walshb

Dick phelan wrote: »

for it. PS Wilder is a KO waiting to happen, Fury, Joshua, Povetkin, Klitschko and Ortiz all beat him.

Wilder may well be. But I can't see Fury doing it. He hits like a WW in fairness. Wilder would land on Fury fairly easily, and when he does Fury won't be getting up. Wilder is a terrible match for Fury.

HenryHill

Fury defo number one hes the lineal champ after all.

HenryHill

walshb wrote: »

Wilder may well be. But I can't see Fury doing it. He hits like a WW in fairness. Wilder would land on Fury fairly easily, and when he does Fury won't be getting up. Wilder is a terrible match for Fury.

Nonsense, all wilder does is swing wildly terrible boxer. Furys movement for his size is unreal. Wilder hasnt impressed me once.

walshb

HenryHill wrote: »

Nonsense, all wilder does is swing wildly terrible boxer. Furys movement for his size is unreal. Wilder hasnt impressed me once.

Wilder can box when needed. And, without doubt one of the swings you speak of will find Fury's chin and knock him clean out.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

Wilder can box when needed. And, without doubt one of the swings you speak of will find Fury's chin and knock him clean out.

Wilder's "boxing" consists of a good jab against smaller men.

That's it really.

He would be completely outjabbed against Fury and that's when his atrocious lack of composure and suspect chin would be badly exposed.

He really is a KO waiting to happen.

walshb

Wilder may well be a KO waiting to happen, but really, a HW like Fury who hits like a WW won't be the one doing it.

I'd like to know what punch, or punches from Fury would get Wilder out of there? Plus, how does Fury avoid getting hit clean himself, bearing in mind that Wilder has the height and reach to get to Tyson's chin, as well as Wilder actually committing to the attack, unlike the cowardly Wlad.

Anyone with any knowledge on boxing and styles and strengths and weaknesses surely can see that Fury is there to be hit from a guy like Wilder, and that Fury has been hurt and wobbled by far lesser punchers. It's a no brainier for me.

Fury with real power is a much better prospect. His lack of power, and his lack of a sturdy enough chin see him lose badly to Wilder. He has next to nothing to discourage Wilder from attacking. Fury with either a solid chin or a solid defence and/or power sees his chances rise significantly.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

Wilder may well be a KO waiting to happen, but really, a HW like Fury who hits like a WW won't be the one doing it.

I'd like to know what punch, or punches from Fury would get Wilder out of there? Plus, how does Fury avoid getting hit clean himself, bearing in mind that Wilder has the height and reach to get to Tyson's chin, as well as Wilder actually committing to the attack, unlike the cowardly Wlad.

Anyone with any knowledge on boxing and styles and strengths and weaknesses surely can see that Fury is there to be hit from a guy like Wilder, and that Fury has been hurt and wobbled by far lesser punchers. It's a no brainier for me.

Fury with real power is a much better prospect. His lack of power, and his lack of a sturdy enough chin see him lose badly to Wilder. He has next to nothing to discourage Wilder from attacking. Fury with either a solid chin or a solid defence and/or power sees his chances rise significantly.

Ironic isn't it.

As usual you are so blinded by power you cannot see Wilder's blatantly obvious flaws. You mentioned already that if all the top guys fought each other you'd expect Wilder to come out on top! There's more chance of Leicester winning again! Seriously.

Fury has way better boxing skills than Wilder (which would'nt be hard). Wilder would have no idea how to get past Fury's jab and that leaves wild, panicky swings while walking into more jabs. And that's about it. Sooner or later he'd be hit by power punches, which he has shown in the past don't need to be very hard to hurt him. A fully focussed Fury is extremely hard to hit. If you cannot see that, well...

As for welterweight power? Just because he's not a bomber, doesn't mean you have to come out with that nonsense.

walshb

It's simple. Fury gets hit clean on the chin from Wilder and it's lights out. Could Fury avoid this and win a decision? Yes. Do I think he does? No. I don't see Fury avoiding getting knocked out.

Fury is a good boxer. Never said he was not. He has talents. His talents won't see him beat Wilder or Haye or AJ in my expert opinion.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

It's simple. Fury gets hit clean on the chin from Wilder and it's lights out. Could Fury avoid this and win a decision? Yes. Do I think he does? No. I don't see Fury avoiding getting knocked out.

Fury is a good boxer. Never said he was not. He has talents. His talents won't see him beat Wilder or Haye or AJ in my expert opinion.

I'd agree re. Haye and Joshua, but not Wilder. Wilder would really struggle here and yes he has a puncher's chance, but that's it.

Too Tough To Die

If Fury sticks to his boxing he absolutely clowns Wilder.

Too Tough To Die

He'd make Haye look like a small heavyweight too. A peak Haye barely squeaked past Valuev, if Fury stuck to his boxing and utilised his natural advantages it would be an easy enough night for him.

Morrison J

i'd back Hughie to beat Wilder tbh. Wilder is very limited really.

normanoffside

1: Fury
2: Wlad
3: Wilder
4: Povetkin
5: Joshua

selectamatic

For me if achievements on paper its:
Fury
Wlad
Wilder
AJ
Toss up between Ortiz & Povetkin

If it's a list taking wow factor, potential and what'd be best for the sport/division its:
AJ
Wilder
Wlad (rolling back the years)
Parker
Ortiz
Povetkin
(IMO fury is toxic for the sport)

Haye is a joke and has done f#*k all of note for the last 5 years.
how he is still relavent is beyond me and I honestly don't think he'd beat any of the fighters I've listed above.

PeterTheNinth

It's sort of a moot point anyway, since none of them will fight each other. If Joshua gets through tonight, he'll surely get a shot against one of the belt holders next year.

walshb

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

It's sort of a moot point anyway, since none of them will fight each other. If Joshua gets through tonight, he'll surely get a shot against one of the belt holders next year.

My thoughts too. They just won't fight each other. I'll be surprised if any combination of Haye/Fury/Wilder/Joshua/Wlad fight each other in 2017.

Dwarf.Shortage

walshb wrote: »

My thoughts too. They just won't fight each other. I'll be surprised if any combination of Haye/Fury/Wilder/Joshua/Wlad fight each other in 2017.

As a very sporadic boxing fan, why is this the case? Is the money not in the big fights that people want to see?

I know AJ can sell a **** load of PPV buys fighting nothing because of his profile but isn't he the exception rather than the rule?

And why on earth has David Haye not boxed in five years? If he had any ambition why would he take that length of a break at 31 when he's already in his twilight years, comes back into the fold now at 36 like I know he's been punched in the head a good few times down through the years but he seems to have made some terrible career decisions.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

My thoughts too. They just won't fight each other. I'll be surprised if any combination of Haye/Fury/Wilder/Joshua/Wlad fight each other in 2017.

I'd be fairly confident Vlad/Joshua will happen in 2017 - assuming nothing crazy happens tonight.

Morrison J

selectamatic wrote: »

For me if achievements on paper its:
Fury
Wlad
Wilder
AJ
Toss up between Ortiz & Povetkin

What has AJ achieved to even make the list?

Parker now also has a better resume than Wilder imo after beating Ruiz.

Johner

Morrison J wrote: »

What has AJ achieved to even make the list? Parker has also achieved better wins than Wilder.

Parker has fought nobody. Stiverene is miles better than anything Parker has faced.

Morrison J

Johner wrote: »

Parker has fought nobody. Stiverene is miles better than anything Parker has faced.

Takam, Dimitrenko & now Ruiz. All decent wins. Stiverne is a decent win but he's not miles better than any of those fighters.

Not saying he beats them but Parker has a better heavyweight resume than Joshua, Wilder and Haye imo.

Too Tough To Die

megadodge wrote: »

I'd be fairly confident Vlad/Joshua will happen in 2017 - assuming nothing crazy happens tonight.

April 2017 apparently. Probably announced tonight, if AJ looks good.

selectamatic

Morrison J wrote: »

What has AJ achieved to even make the list?
.

IBF HW champ
17 fights 17 ko's in pro ranks
An Olympic gold medal
British HW champ
(after that thriller with Gary Cornish :P)
Excellent ppv buys and gate sales

Like it or not in my opinion the best thing that could happen for HW boxing is for Joshua to become a dominant champ and beat all of the other top 5 HW's mentioned. Now whether he can or not is another story but if he did and did so with ko's then the casual interest in boxing would skyrocket.

People on here often claim a blinding of hate sees Tyson fury not get the recognition he deserves on this forum, I feel the association of Joshua with sky sports and Hearn sees the same thing being applicable to him.

A snapshot of Furys carreer sees two victories over chisora, a victory over a middlen blown up cruiserweight and a dour display against Kevin Johnson. However his win against wlad gets him his No.1 spot. It still doesn't change the fact that it was a terrible fight and that's Furys main downfall the majority of people dont want to watch a boring points scoring heavyweight.

Too Tough To Die

The division just had a dominant champion, and it was boring. AJ possibly has even less charisma than Wlad. Give me a competitive division where any of the top guys can beat each other on their night over that any day (or night). And may we see the return of the Gypsy King, fit and healthy.

HenryHill

megadodge wrote: »

I'd be fairly confident Vlad/Joshua will happen in 2017 - assuming nothing crazy happens tonight.

Wlad needs a fight badly between now and then, hes been inactive too long for his age, last fight against fury he looked slow and old.

Joshua will beat him if they fight next year and it wont be the achievement people are making it out to be. Wlad is washed.

selectamatic

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

The division just had a dominant champion, and it was boring. AJ possibly has even less charisma than Wlad. Give me a competitive division where any of the top guys can beat each other on their night over that any day (or night). And may we see the return of the Gypsy King, fit and healthy.

Charisma? They're boxers if they actively engage and seek out ko's they'll be exciting and draw views.

Wlad has been a cagey operator for the last 10 years and had gone even more into his shell in the last 3 wilder, AJ and Parker are completely different fighters to wlad.

Also note I said dominate by beating all of the top 5 listed if you think that'd be boring then I'm at a loss. But I'd agree a division stacked with aggressive and competitive fighters would be extremely exciting. Hence my love for the current cruiserweight division.

Return of Fury? That wont bring about excitememt unless it's him getting flattened. Sit down and watch his entire fight with Kevin Johnson. *Spoiler* it was that exciting a fight that the Belfast crowd boo'd and jeered from about the 8th round on.

His fights with chisora and the wlad fight were riveting too.

HenryHill

Ortiz in danger of becoming a massive hype job here.