Muckspreaders

Bitten & Hisses

Has anyone here bought a rotary spreader recently, or have any idea about pricing?

I'm thinking of purchasing either this year or next, the last spreader did 23 years, but would still be working if someone hadn't grossly abused it :rolleyes:

So, I find myself going into the Third Secret of Fatima territory that is trying to find out the price of machinery. So far, there's a guy on donedeal selling a new Belmac 7.7 yard machine for €3400 +VAT. Any ideas on prices for Major or Abbey spreaders? I'd prefer to stay around 7 cubic yard, which is a decent size but can still be driven by 80HP. Does anyone know how these spreaders manage on super singles?

Dawggone

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Has anyone here bought a rotary spreader recently, or have any idea about pricing?

I'm thinking of purchasing either this year or next, the last spreader did 23 years, but would still be working if someone hadn't grossly abused it :rolleyes:

So, I find myself going into the Third Secret of Fatima territory that is trying to find out the price of machinery. So far, there's a guy on donedeal selling a new Belmac 7.7 yard machine for €3400 +VAT. Any ideas on prices for Major or Abbey spreaders? I'd prefer to stay around 7 cubic yard, which is a decent size but can still be driven by 80HP. Does anyone know how these spreaders manage on super singles?

Whatever you buy make sure it's a rear discharge. Rotary muckspreaders are gone from farming with the horse.

Bought a 24ton rotary Coutand this time last year for €48k + vat, if that's any help.

Zr105

Dawggone wrote: »

Whatever you buy make sure it's a rear discharge. Rotary muckspreaders are gone from farming with the horse.

Bought a 24ton rotary Coutand this time last year for €48k + vat, if that's any help.

While I'd agree with you that the rear discharge is ideally the way to go there's no way a lad that's after a 7cyd spreader will ever be able to justify a rear discharge when the smallest of them start around 24k,

Muckit

'€3,400.... pfffhh.... often gave it to a child for sweets. ' says dawg. 🙋

Bitten & Hisses

Rear discharge would be nice, but not financially viable. I have a 2000 gal tank which is the main slurry machine, the Muckspreader is only for bedding, waste silage etc.

Dawggone

Muckit wrote: »

'€3,400.... pfffhh.... often gave it to a child for sweets. ' says dawg. 🙋

Yea right!
I'm waiting on you to win the €12mill lotto so I might score a couple of quid from you...you could put it down to overseas charity.

Dawggone

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Rear discharge would be nice, but not financially viable. I have a 2000 gal tank which is the main slurry machine, the Muckspreader is only for bedding, waste silage etc.

Then consider hiring a rear discharge for the bit you have to do. Afaik it was about €170/day for a 14ton.

bogman_bass

Better again get the contractor in. 2 or 3 hours will spread a lot of dung if it's a good guy with a good setup

Fuxake

bogman_bass wrote: »

Better again get the contractor in. 2 or 3 hours will spread a lot of dung if it's a good guy with a good setup

Yeah. If you've a lot of dung, you'll be days and days getting it out with a side-spreader. If you've only got a handy bit, you can't justify it compared to a contractor.

Greengrass1

I wouldnt bother buying a spreader bitten. We've a lot of dung here and contractor able to spread 200t in 5 hrs. spreader holds 10t And that was only some of it. Would have taken us a wk to spread that and the place be in ****.
Cist us 500 for what he did I think. We'd easily put half that into diesel ourselves.

And ye can't beat the nice even spread they do

Fuxake

Dawggone wrote: »

Whatever you buy make sure it's a rear discharge. Rotary muckspreaders are gone from farming with the horse.

Bought a 24ton rotary Coutand this time last year for €48k + vat, if that's any help.

Kinda like Marie Antoinette saying let them eat cake when told that the peasants hadn't bread. Is France having that much influence?

Dawggone

Fuxake wrote: »

Kinda like Marie Antoinette saying let them eat cake when told that the peasants hadn't bread. Is France having that much influence?

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davidk1394

It would be as easy get a contractor. We've a rear discharge jeantil 14 cubic meter. Good tidy spread even with dung thats not well rotten. Was spreading for one lad. He said what we spread in 3 hours it took three side slingers the same amount of time

emaherx

Lads here are always very quick to make little of small machines. Contractors and or big machines are not always the best solution.

Tight yards and low roofed sheds found on many Irish farms are a good justification for smaller machines.

Also a smaller 4WD tractor pulling a 7.5cuyd muck spreader may do a lot less damage to softish fields.

Plus personaly I put out our dung using a 7.5cuyd side spreader. I do it in my own time, when it suits me and weather conditions are suitable.

Reggie.

emaherx wrote: »

Lads here are always very quick to make little of small machines. Contractors and or big machines are not always the best solution.

Tight yards and low roofed sheds found on many Irish farms are a good justification for smaller machines.

Also a smaller 4WD tractor pulling a 7.5cuyd muck spreader may do a lot less damage to softish fields.

Plus personaly I put out our dung using a 7.5cuyd side spreader. I do it in my own time, when it suits me and weather conditions are suitable.

+1

ganmo

emaherx wrote: »

Plus personaly I put out our dung using a 7.5cuyd side spreader. I do it in my own time, when it suits me and weather conditions are suitable.

exactly why I want to get our own side spreader
to be able to graze a field tight and throw out a light cover of dung and not have to be chasing lads to make sure they're coming etc especially when you want it done when nobody else is at dung

Bitten & Hisses

Some food for thought there, thanks for the input. What's the typical hourly rate for a 10 tonne spreader?


One thing I'm wary of re hiring in a big machine is, years ago, we hired in a contractor with a Harry West spreader. It was claimed the West would do the same work as 3 sidespreaders. In reality, it ended up costing double what the same work usually did with 3 sidespreaders. The true indication was the loading shovel's work rate: it spent a lot of time idle with the West, but never stopped when it was feeding the 3 spreaders.

Another issue I would have is to coordinate a contractor with a spreader and one with a Skidsteer for cleaning out low roofed sheds.

freedominacup

emaherx wrote: »

Also a smaller 4WD tractor pulling a 7.5cuyd muck spreader may do a lot less damage to softish fields.

I can't of any situation where this would be true. Large rear discharge spreaders have so much rubber under them they do very little compacting never mind actually tearing ground up.

Greengrass1

freedominacup wrote: »

I can't of any situation where this would be true. Large rear discharge spreaders have so much rubber under them they do very little compacting never mind actually tearing ground up.

+1000 a large rear spreader will cover 4 times the area you would with one load. You'd be going back and forth so many times with the side slinger you'd have the field in ****e

9935452

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Some food for thought there, thanks for the input. What's the typical hourly rate for a 10 tonne spreader?


One thing I'm wary of re hiring in a big machine is, years ago, we hired in a contractor with a Harry West spreader. It was claimed the West would do the same work as 3 sidespreaders. In reality, it ended up costing double what the same work usually did with 3 sidespreaders. The true indication was the loading shovel's work rate: it spent a lot of time idle with the West, but never stopped when it was feeding the 3 spreaders.

Another issue I would have is to coordinate a contractor with a spreader and one with a Skidsteer for cleaning out low roofed sheds.

We were spreading close to the yard on day with 2 7cubic yard spreaders. The driver of the loading shovel was in a rush to get home so he would fill the two spreaders and then follow us out to the field with a bucket . The bucket we use for slurry would nearly fill the spreader in one go.

freedominacup wrote: »

I can't of any situation where this would be true. Large rear discharge spreaders have so much rubber under them they do very little compacting never mind actually tearing ground up.

One thing i find with the side spreaders is when the ground is a bit soft , they have a tendency of vibrating into the ground and tearing it. There is an aweful lot of the weight carried on the axel of the spreader

emaherx

God Lads just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you have to take boards.ie off line for 3 whole days

freedominacup wrote: »

I can't of any situation where this would be true. Large rear discharge spreaders have so much rubber under them they do very little compacting never mind actually tearing ground up.

You are probably right except maybe Double or triple Axle Trailer Turning on Headland. In fairness the 7.5cuyd major side slinger has a fair bit of rubber under it for its size/weight. Marking land is not really a major issue as I don't tend to spread unless weather conditions are right.

Greengrass1 wrote: »

+1000 a large rear spreader will cover 4 times the area you would with one load. You'd be going back and forth so many times with the side slinger you'd have the field in ****e

Why would I be going back and fourth on the same track?

9935452 wrote: »

One thing i find with the side spreaders is when the ground is a bit soft , they have a tendency of vibrating into the ground and tearing it. There is an aweful lot of the weight carried on the axel of the spreader

Can't Say I have ever experianced this, but perhaps the tyres are part of the issue here.


Anyway I also like owning my own side discharge muck spreader, as this time of year (weather permitting) I tend to empty some of the pens directly into the muck spreader, as it saves moving dung twice and saves having to have a massive dung stead in the yard. In fairness they are quite a cheap machine and cant last upwards of 30 years with minimum maintenance.

I'm not going to deny that rear discharge machines are better, just that they would be overkill for our farm and by the sound of it the OP's

Greengrass1

Paddock entrances??

100 cows and followers and straw here. Used to spread all our own dung.
The place was In **** when ever we went spreading

pedigree 6

All stock is bedded on straw here. I used to spread all the dung myself.
It would usually take 2 or 3 days to spread here. I now get the dung spead in sept with contractor with big spreader and it takes 3 hours.
Just have the heaps near where the dung is spread.
I still have the tullow dung spreader for small jobs though.

9935452

emaherx wrote: »

Why would I be going back and fourth on the same track?

You will do an aweful lot of driving on the same tracks around the gap/ entrance of the field

emaherx

9935452 wrote: »

You will do an aweful lot of driving on the same tracks around the gap/ entrance of the field

Yes I won't argue with that, but that is not the whole field in ****e as suggested above and depends very much on the field.


Again I'm only saying contractor is not the best solution for every one. But a large rear discharge spreader is too big an investment for most and that's without factoring in the tractor required to pull it.