Brooklyn is about how “America welcomes white immigrants”, apparently.

https://twitter.com/dashiellsilva/status/687970722623451136

Has anyone seen the annual list of mock posters for Oscar-nominated films from UK website TheShiznit.co.uk? They are highly amusing, as usual.

If you haven't them, I urge you to check them out. I've made sure to link to their website, because, though they created the posters, they have relatively few followers on social media. Meanwhile, other sites such as theCHIVE effectively reproduce the same article for their 1,600,000+ followers, getting much more web-traffic, which is slightly unfair.

The one for Brooklyn, in particular, caught my eye.

strelok

america didn't welcome white immigrants though

at all

not even a little bit

Yea.. The Irish were pretty much lower class citizens and treated like dirt during the time Brooklyn is set. Haven't seen the movie, but I've heard excellent things about it.

c_man

PCsFilmReviews wrote: »

They are highly amusing, as usual.

Meh. "Spy movie minus the action bits," do they not remember Tinker Tailor? We're all familiar with the concept, it was class.

The one for Brooklyn, in particular, caught my eye.

Really not surprised a UK based outfit would be ignorant of the actual facts but hey, looks good and should play with the Twitter masses.

In fairness, the Ex Machina one made me laugh, because I absolutely would.

ancapailldorcha

Americans have been moaning about immigrants for centuries be it Italians, Irish, Eastern Europeans or whomever.

Eugene Norman

In fact it's clearly extremely hard to immigrate from Europe these days. Back then not so much.

MilesMorales1

I find that honest movie trailers thing to be **** anyway. Some people/outlets love to be ****ing contrarian for the sake of it, like that hipster person everyone knows who does something or has an opinion cos its cool or unusual and they think it makes them interesting. **** off.

Figbiscuithead

The film made the process of emigrating and entry into the country look like the easiest thing in the world. All she had to do was stick on some lipstick ffs and I'm really doubting that was the case at all. The Irish were despised in the USA in the past and it's only in recent years that this popularity has appeared.

Hande hoche!

I look forward to the Guardian piece.

SEPT 23 1989

Hated or not we did very well over there

Wibbs

Figbiscuithead wrote: »

The film made the process of emigrating and entry into the country look like the easiest thing in the world. All she had to do was stick on some lipstick ffs and I'm really doubting that was the case at all. The Irish were despised in the USA in the past and it's only in recent years that this popularity has appeared.

That flic is set in the 1950's? My dad lived there for a time back then, his dad moved there in the 1920's and both had no problem settling in or being welcomed. Quite the opposite in fact. In New York anyway. Same for two good friends of mine's dads. Maybe it was different for women, but I'd be surprised to hear it was.

MilesMorales1

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I find that honest movie trailers thing to be **** anyway. Some people/outlets love to be ****ing contrarian for the sake of it, like that hipster person everyone knows who does something or has an opinion cos its cool or unusual and they think it makes them interesting. **** off.

Are you mixing up Everything Wrong With and Honest Trailers, because HT is more about parodying it, which they often do a fantastic job at, whereas EWW is absolute nitpicking and tearing apart the smallest of things?

Eugene Norman

Wibbs wrote: »

That flic is set in the 1950's? My dad lived there for a time back then, his dad moved there in the 1920's and both had no problem settling in or being welcomed. Quite the opposite in fact. In New York anyway. Same for two good friends of mine's dads. Maybe it was different for women, but I'd be surprised to hear it was.

The hostility was in the 19C

Figbiscuithead

Wibbs wrote: »

That flic is set in the 1950's? My dad lived there for a time back then, his dad moved there in the 1920's and both had no problem settling in or being welcomed. Quite the opposite in fact. In New York anyway. Same for two good friends of mine's dads. Maybe it was different for women, but I'd be surprised to hear it was.

Yeah, I made my point badly. My grandfather also didn't have issues when he lived there at that time from what I've heard. There was a time that the Irish were despised not for being white but for being Catholic (19th centruy), so it wasn't always easy; our whiteness didn't guarantee an easy ride. I still doubt immigration processing was as easy as it was made out to be in the film at that time (1950s) but I'm basing that on nothing at all, tbh.

Orangebrigade

The idiot who made that poster obviously doesn't know the history of the United States and how it was founded and inspired. They certainly weren't "Irish".

Junkyard Tom

Orangebrigade wrote: »

They certainly weren't "Irish".

Thankfully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJYY1CFKzTg

catbear

All my older relatives who went to the US in the 50s and 60s thrived there. I'm sure that didn't happen for everyone but it did seem that there was no limit on how far you could go.
However a lot of their kids are pretty ****ed up, plenty of Trump supporters in the ranks of the second generation.

purplepanda

Orangebrigade wrote: »

The idiot who made that poster obviously doesn't know the history of the United States and how it was founded and inspired. They certainly weren't "Irish".

http://thewildgeese.irish/profiles/blogs/the-irish-american-signers-of-the-declaration-of-independence

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/460563499368808217/

http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/others/the-irish-side-of-the-american-declaration-of-independence-97713259-238038151.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barry_(naval_officer)



"On April 2, 1784, Luke Gardiner, afterward Lord Mountjoy, told the English Parliament, “America was lost by Irish emigrants … I am assured from the best authority, the major part of the American Army was composed of Irish and that the Irish language was as commonly spoken in the American ranks as English, I am also informed it was their valor that determined the contest "

I suppose that you don't see the irony in claiming loyalist heritage for those who rebelled against the British monarchy & fought for a republic then? :pac:

iguana

I thought it was a kind of weird story. She moves to America because her options were limited in Ireland.

Her life in Brooklyn is better than what she had in Ireland but then she could have had an even better life in Ireland after all if she hadn't been pressured to marry in haste.

Azalea

Orangebrigade wrote: »

The idiot who made that poster obviously doesn't know the history of the United States and how it was founded and inspired. They certainly weren't "Irish".

You got this from "America welcomes white immigrants"? Oh wait, of course you didn't. Wind-up fail.

droidman123

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Americans have been moaning about immigrants for centuries be it Italians, Irish, Eastern Europeans or whomever.

Americans are immigrants themselves so I can't understand their moaning

Orangebrigade

purplepanda wrote: »

http://thewildgeese.irish/profiles/blogs/the-irish-american-signers-of-the-declaration-of-independence

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/460563499368808217/

http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/others/the-irish-side-of-the-american-declaration-of-independence-97713259-238038151.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barry_(naval_officer)



"On April 2, 1784, Luke Gardiner, afterward Lord Mountjoy, told the English Parliament, “America was lost by Irish emigrants … I am assured from the best authority, the major part of the American Army was composed of Irish and that the Irish language was as commonly spoken in the American ranks as English, I am also informed it was their valor that determined the contest "

I suppose that you don't see the irony in claiming loyalist heritage for those who rebelled against the British monarchy & fought for a republic then? :pac:

The declaration of Independence and the Army of the Continental Army and Washingtons best soldiers. Yet again the Ulstermen at the front.

Nodin

Orangebrigade wrote: »

The declaration of Independence and the Army of the Continental Army and Washingtons best soldiers. Yet again the Ulstermen at the front.

Yep. "Olde Operation Human Shield" as it was known

Nodin

iguana wrote: »

I thought it was a kind of weird story. She moves to America because her options were limited in Ireland.

Her life in Brooklyn is better than what she had in Ireland but then she could have had an even better life in Ireland after all if she hadn't been pressured to marry in haste.

So

theres no Yakuza in it then?

MRnotlob606

strelok wrote: »

america didn't welcome white immigrants though

at all

not even a little bit

Well there was laws past in the early 20th century that favoured White Immigration

riffmongous

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you mixing up Everything Wrong With and Honest Trailers, because HT is more about parodying it, which they often do a fantastic job at, whereas EWW is absolute nitpicking and tearing apart the smallest of things?

Yeah Honest Trailers is great, very funny stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM-l_3RaYsk

iguana

Nodin wrote: »

So

theres no Yakuza in it then?

You're thinking of

True Blood.

:cool:

Nodin

iguana wrote: »

You're thinking of

True Blood.

:cool:

More

"Outrage"

Black and Blue15

droidman123 wrote: »

Americans are immigrants themselves so I can't understand their moaning

Human nature. White Americans are at the top of the pile. Understandable they want to keep it that way.

Tony EH

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Americans have been moaning about immigrants for centuries be it Italians, Irish, Eastern Europeans or whomever.

In fairness, the original "Americans" had an awful lot to moan about.

Always enjoyed the Frozen, Dawn of the Planet of the Aps, and Guardians of the Galaxy Honest Trailers videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5IH57SorQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOyJqGtP-wU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqnWjflHobM

K-9

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Americans have been moaning about immigrants for centuries be it Italians, Irish, Eastern Europeans or whomever.

And not even immigration, migration from the South to the North in the 20's and 30's, or rather the Blacks getting uppity and trying to make a life for themselves.

K-9

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Hated or not we did very well over there

We did when we finally got accepted, Joe Kennedy faced loads of anti- Catholic hate and suspicion, albeit he was no angel himself. Took his sons and another generation to finally be accepted.

Tony EH

Wibbs wrote: »

That flic is set in the 1950's? My dad lived there for a time back then, his dad moved there in the 1920's and both had no problem settling in or being welcomed. Quite the opposite in fact. In New York anyway. Same for two good friends of mine's dads. Maybe it was different for women, but I'd be surprised to hear it was.

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The hostility was in the 19C

Yep. The common slur for the Irish in New York (and probably the rest of America) was the "dirty Irish". Other ethnicities tended to view Irish people as filthy and unkempt, which was some what ironic as the Italians, Jews and Germans who lived in the lower class areas of New York weren't shining examples of hygiene either.

The slur probably comes from the fact that most Irish immigrants to America were poor and therefore subject to all the problems that plague poor people and in tenements where numerous families had to use the same facilities, hygiene took a back seat. One outside toilet between 20 families soon got pretty rank.

But, even in areas such as Five Points or Hell's Kitchen, where the poorer immigrants were sent after the landed at Ellis Island, the Irish were known as the "dirty Irish" as the name had taken hold everywhere. They also had a bad reputation for rowdiness and drink. That is being drunk, as opposed to making and selling drink, which is what a lot of the German immigrants did. Other immigrants took their trades to America too. Trades that their families had built up over many years, whereas a lot of Irish immigrants merely took themselves and their physical ability to do labour.

Rented Mule

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Americans have been moaning about immigrants for centuries be it Italians, Irish, Eastern Europeans or whomever.

Whereas the Irish have only been doing it for 25 years or so.