FM104 allowing discrimination??

trixychic

So this post just went up on the fm104 Facebook page.

So it turns out adhd is not recognised as a disability... but this woman is still a disgrace imo.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=862430323877014&id=444395065680544

Pac1Man

She has just simply stated the truth. While it might be hard to stomach for parents who have an ADHD child, I don't believe it's discrimination. Discrimination would be suggesting that the child with ADHD does not deserve an education because they have ADHD. She has suggested that alternative arrangements should be made.

She wouldn't be complaining about a wheelchair user etc. because they are not predetermined to cause disruptions.

Oh and FM104 are definitely not allowing discrimination by allowing this discussion to happen.

trixychic

So should they allow discussions from ppl who don't think black ppl should be in schools???

trixychic

Pac1Man wrote: »

She has just simply stated the truth. While it might be hard to stomach for parents who have an ADHD child, I don't believe it's discrimination.

The child has a disability. The disability occurs in every day class and she doesn't want her child to have to deal with that. How is that not discrimination. Keeping your child away from ppl with such disabilities is showing them fear and unacceptable.

Pac1Man

trixychic wrote: »

So should they allow discussions from ppl who don't think black ppl should be in schools???

No because that would be racist and discriminatory.

The woman is not suggesting that the child with ADHD should not be educated or not attend the same school. She is suggesting to find alternative means to best educate both children.

Stheno

I don't believe ADHD is classed as a disability in Ireland? Have you a link to show it is included in a list of disabilities?

Pac1Man

trixychic wrote: »

The child has a disability. The disability occurs in every day class and she doesn't want her child to have to deal with that. How is that not discrimination. Keeping your child away from ppl with such disabilities is showing them fear and unacceptable.

It's difficult to know exactly what the woman has said from the text in your link but I doubt she wants to separate the children because she doesn't want her child to 'deal' with the ADHD child from a social aspect. They would not be segregated at break time etc.

She just feels that the ADHD child is holding her own kid (and others) back in the classroom.

esforum

is ADHD s disability?

ThisRegard

trixychic wrote: »

So should they allow discussions from ppl who don't think black ppl should be in schools???

They're not even comparable.

Simple fact is that kids with ADHD can be disruptive forces within a class room affecting both teacher and students. Most reasonable parents of such kids will acknowledge this themselves.

Many get SNAs to help out. By your logic they shouldn't because that's acknowledging your perceived discrimination.

trixychic

It turns out it is not a disability but usually comes with disability...

Which I suppose makes my post null and void.

Sorry. I still think that woman is a disgrace!!!!


http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?con=12

ThisRegard

It's not, in my experience, followed by a disability. It's a condition, that some are skeptical as to if it even is one, by itself.

RainyDay

Stheno wrote: »

I don't believe ADHD is classed as a disability in Ireland? Have you a link to show it is included in a list of disabilities?

There is no 'list of disabilities' in legislation. The Disability Act and Equal Status Acts both have functional definitions of disability, but no list.

Johnboy1951

trixychic wrote: »

So this post just went up on the fm104 Facebook page.

So it turns out adhd is not recognised as a disability... but this woman is still a disgrace imo.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=862430323877014&id=444395065680544

I get this when clicking on the above link ....

The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may be broken or expired, or you may not have permission to view this page.

Am I being discriminated against?

panda100

RainyDay wrote: »

There is no 'list of disabilities' in legislation. The Disability Act and Equal Status Acts both have functional definitions of disability, but no list.

+1.

The definition of Disability best suited to this case probably would be the that which is used in the Disability Act which allows for Assessment of Need for children. The definition is as follows:

’’disability’, in relation to a person, means a substantial restriction in the capacity of the person to carry on a profession, business or occupation in the State or to participate in social or cultural life in the State by reason of an enduring physical, sensory, mental health or intellectual impairment’

It is a very restrictive definition but one could easily argue that ADHD could fall under this.

I think we need to move away from labels here though. Children can be disruptive in a classroom whether they have a 'disability' or not. The focus should be less on what condition this child does or does not have, and rather how should schools and teachers accommodate the different learning experiences that are required to suit a diverse range of learning styles and personality.

the_pen_turner

I think the mother is right,
the adhd kid is depriving the other kids of education by being disruptive.
if the kid was just a kid with a lower iq and slower to learn it would be different

the adhd kid needs a different type of education with teachers that are rained to deal with these conditions

trixychic

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I think the mother is right,
the adhd kid is depriving the other kids of education by being disruptive.
if the kid was just a kid with a lower iq and slower to learn it would be different

the adhd kid needs a different type of education with teachers that are rained to deal with these conditions

I was under the impression that most new teachers are given basic skills on how to manage children with learning difficulties.

You can't segregate children because they are different. Instead the way we educate our children in this country needs to be looked at to try and ensure that children can all get an education TOGETHER in a way that helps them all.

trixychic

panda100 wrote: »

Children can be disruptive in a classroom whether they have a 'disability' or not. The focus should be less on what condition this child does or does not have, and rather how should schools and teachers accommodate the different learning experiences that are required to suit a diverse range of learning styles and personality.

This is exactly it I would be calling her up on that behaviour very quickly. It's not right.

the_pen_turner

trixychic wrote: »

I was under the impression that most new teachers are given basic skills on how to manage children with learning difficulties. im sure that only goes as far as chastising a bold child and not how to cope with a child that could have any number of varying needs

You can't segregate children because they are different. Instead the way we educate our children in this country needs to be looked at to try and ensure that children can all get an education TOGETHER in a way that helps them all. yes you can we segregate all the time. all the bright kids in one class and more challenging kids in others. we even do it with kids with very high iq where we sent them to schools dedicated to high achievers like mentsa


do we not send kids with down syndrome and all these other similar mental/ physical problems to a special school. nobody is saying treat the adhd kid badly just that that kid needs to be in a class where their needs are prioritised and not affecting the rest of the class

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looksee

Mod: the_pen_turner - that is a lot of sweeping generalisations, can you offer any evidence for any of these claims? Please keep the discussion more factual.

RainyDay

the_pen_turner wrote: »

do we not send kids with down syndrome and all these other similar mental/ physical problems to a special school

No, we don't. Many children with Down's Syndrome and other similar intellectual disabilities are in mainstream schools, learning alongside their peers and doing really nicely out of it. They may require some extra support depending on their personal needs.

http://www.thejournal.ie/down-syndrome-eleanor-murray-1618599-Aug2014/

Thankfully, we stopped sending children with physical disabilities to special schools quite some time ago, except in most extreme of cases.

the_pen_turner

the_pen_turner wrote: »

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looksee wrote: »

Mod: the_pen_turner - that is a lot of sweeping generalisations, can you offer any evidence for any of these claims? Please keep the discussion more factual.

im sorry if there are generalisations but they are based on my experience in the system.

im related to a few teachers and know a few are customers.
from any discussion in these issues we have I was told they were taught to spot difficulties and deal with minor difficulties like dyslexia but are not trained to deal with the more serious end of the spectrum