port forwarding for 2 playstations

deafroadrunner

HI sorry if this is the wrong forum.
just wondering is there any way to port ward with two ps4. have one of them set up due to a guide i found on this forum. link below

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87477603

this fixed my issue with call of duty switching from moderate to strict so its open now. tried putting the other ps4 into a dmz but that didnt work.

the router we have is zyxel f1000 on efibre with eircom.

ED E

Its not really possible, games need to dynamically assign incoming ports for clients to allow multiple clients, some developers don't bother doing this and assume one client per IP.

Best option is to VPN the second console, but that'll hurt your latency pretty significantly.

deafroadrunner

ED E wrote: »

Its not really possible, games need to dynamically assign incoming ports for clients to allow multiple clients, some developers don't bother doing this and assume one client per IP.

Best option is to VPN the second console, but that'll hurt your latency pretty significantly.

would bridging a second router to it would?

ED E

Not with eircom without buying two IPs from them, with UPC it can be done on any account with bridging.

deafroadrunner

ED E wrote: »

Not with eircom without buying two IPs from them, with UPC it can be done on any account with bridging.

Would it be expensive?

jOHNdOE71

Your problem seems to be the router is assigning a random IP Addresses every time you power on a console.
Is there a option on the F1000 to 'Reserve IP Address' (on my vodafone HG685c it on the LAN setting page) if so try assigning each console a RESERVED IP Address using their MAC address and a unassigned IP Address

Example

PS4 in bedroom -
EE:8A:5B:U4:F1:75 192.168.1.2

PS4 in Dinning room
EE:9A:5B:UW:T1:75 192.168.1.3

Save the settings then in your NAT settings try Port forwarding as normal BUT do it for the two IP address and save settings

NOTE: You will need to reboot both Consoles and maybe router.

ED E

On ADSL it would be €100 one time.

I've seen mention that its now a subscription charge on a monthly basis like Vodafone have always done. Call their sales guys to ask but I'd guess itll be at least 5€ /mo x2.

mass_debater

jOHNdOE71 wrote: »

Your problem seems to be the router is assigning a random IP Addresses every time you power on a console.
Is there a option on the F1000 to 'Reserve IP Address' (on my vodafone HG685c it on the LAN setting page) if so try assigning each console a RESERVED IP Address using their MAC address and a unassigned IP Address

Example

PS4 in bedroom -
EE:8A:5B:U4:F1:75 192.168.1.2

PS4 in Dinning room
EE:9A:5B:UW:T1:75 192.168.1.3

Save the settings then in your NAT settings try Port forwarding as normal BUT do it for the two IP address and save settings

NOTE: You will need to reboot both Consoles and maybe router.

That's the private IP, the public IP supplied by the provider that's used on the internet remains the same for both boxes.

jOHNdOE71

[quotex="mass_debater;98333890"]That's the private IP, the public IP supplied by the provider that's used on the internet remains the same for both boxes.[/quote]

I don't understand why you mention public IP address, what does that have to do with port forwardin, DMZ, Open/moderate/strict settings NAT settings and upnp settings.

Is PS4 somehow different than multiple Xbox and multi PCs on the same network trying to join either Xbox live, steam, origin or any online game service?

ED E

You get 1 public IP. Say thats 123.123.123.123. Say this game Activision uses port 5555 for game traffic. You forward 123.123.123.123:5555 to PS4-#1. Great. Try forward it to PS4-#2 now and the router now has two conflicting rules and can only follow one of them. The router doesnt know if packets from the game server are going to PS4-#1 or PS4-#2, it just knows what port they're coming in on. It cant "split" the stream.

To sort this good devs will have consoles connect out on 5555 say but respond back to a negotiated port, so PS4-#1 might get 2376 and PS4-#2 might get 6289, now the router knows exactly where to send each traffic stream. Super. Good devs they are not in this case, assuming one console per IP.

mad turnip

do both consoles play the same games? If so your out of luck as everyone says above if they are different games its a different story and people may be able to help you.

jOHNdOE71

Maybe l'm just lucky but i had 2 Xbox 360 on the same network both with xbox live accounts b4 I gave them to my brothers family, It took a bit of fiddling with his modem but the both connected as well. And last Christmas they got Xbox ones and guess what they work!


That's what I don't understand why all the talk about extra external IP address and vpns with the PS4, is Sony screwing PS4 owners?

deafroadrunner

mad turnip wrote: »

do both consoles play the same games? If so your out of luck as everyone says above if they are different games its a different story and people may be able to help you.

yeah both console play the same game. no issues with other games though. its working grand now with my console as open and his as moderate.

ED E wrote: »

You get 1 public IP. Say thats 123.123.123.123. Say this game Activision uses port 5555 for game traffic. You forward 123.123.123.123:5555 to PS4-#1. Great. Try forward it to PS4-#2 now and the router now has two conflicting rules and can only follow one of them. The router doesnt know if packets from the game server are going to PS4-#1 or PS4-#2, it just knows what port they're coming in on. It cant "split" the stream.

To sort this good devs will have consoles connect out on 5555 say but respond back to a negotiated port, so PS4-#1 might get 2376 and PS4-#2 might get 6289, now the router knows exactly where to send each traffic stream. Super. Good devs they are not in this case, assuming one console per IP.

this made perfect sense to me. I'm gunna ring eir tomorrow and see what they say about it.

Is there a way of setting the connection to the playstations to the ppope as we used tone able to before we got efirbe. Both of us were able to get Nat type 1 that way. That would get around-the-clock issue with cod I say.

mass_debater

jOHNdOE71 wrote: »

Maybe l'm just lucky but i had 2 Xbox 360 on the same network both with xbox live accounts b4 I gave them to my brothers family, It took a bit of fiddling with his modem but the both connected as well. And last Christmas they got Xbox ones and guess what they work!


That's what I don't understand why all the talk about extra external IP address and vpns with the PS4, is Sony screwing PS4 owners?

It's only an issue if you're trying to play the same game at the same time. It's just poor coding by the Sony and the games developer. When your internet traffic leaves your router it uses your public IP, when it returns your router cannot distinguish which console to send it to because all traffic is returning to the same port.

ED E

Play PC games, this never happens /troll


Stolen from another nerds post on PS4 community:

BOTTOM LINE/TL;DR. Any game that runs on SCEA servers (Sony Servers for first party) will not allow multiple instances of that game on two different PS4's on the same IP. Because there is no range of Ports assigned to retry on. They only list very specific ports. So games like Grand Theft Auto 5, will only work online for a short time, when you're lucky enough to get in between the authentication, before timing out. (about 20 minutes max) Or if you're playing one PS4 online with it, and another person logs into the game online after you've been in for roughly 30 minutes, you get booted off. Even if you own two separate copies of the game.

So its a sony thing more than just crap dev by the individual studios.

For VM Customers:
1. Buy a real router
2. Bridge UPC router
3. Use router for Port 1(Normal Network), PS4.1 for Port2, PS4.2 for Port3, play away.

For all others:
Buy a /30 block from your ISP
Assign one to normal network which contains PS4.1
Assign two to PS4.2
Cry yourself to sleep thanks to Sony's BS