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FR Pilot Employment Tribunal hearing

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  • #2
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,808 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    @A&A Mods: I posted this yesterday and it would seem it was deleted/moved/unapproved. If it's not appropriate for this forum, just drop me a PM and I'll take it from there. Thanks. -Shield.

    "A Ryanair pilot who refused to carry bags of company cash on a flight from Manchester to Dublin has told the Employment Appeals Tribunal no documentation or security clearance had been provided when the money was brought aboard by ground crew in September 2014."

    Full article from The Irish Times here.

    My question: Was the pilot justified in law in refusing to accept undocumented cash in the cockpit? The article seems to infer that he was just being awkward, and that it was common practice as the money was used as either a float of sorts for on-board purchases, or was the proceeds of on-board sales.

    Also, on the face of things, had he accepted sealed bags of unknown amounts of money in the cockpit, and a CAA inspection discovered the undocumented cash, just how much trouble would he have found himself in?

    Thanks for any replies/comments/insights.


  • #3
    Pat Dunne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    I posted it a up a few days earlier. Odd that they just wasn't merged. :)http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057545805


  • #4
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Both threads merged. Only saw 2nd one just now. Silly work taking me away from A&A


  • #5
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Shield wrote: »
    .......
    My question: Was the pilot justified in law in refusing to accept undocumented cash in the cockpit? The article seems to infer that he was just being awkward, and that it was common practice as the money was used as either a float of sorts for on-board purchases, or was the proceeds of on-board sales.

    Also, on the face of things, had he accepted sealed bags of unknown amounts of money in the cockpit, and a CAA inspection discovered the undocumented cash, just how much trouble would he have found himself in?.....

    IMHO I think he was justified if he was unable to examine the contents of the bags. If the bags were carried as cargo then they would have been examined and approved before loading. Perhaps this practise is normal for FR and he is being awkward. hard to tell as an outsider not knowing what normal practise is.

    I doubt it was any form of inflight float. I dont know but would guess that FR cabin crew carry personal floats or sign them out from base before each duty.


  • #6
    roundymac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    In a way it's like the security question you are asked at check-in. Are you carrying anything that was given to you by some-one. If you are and it is contraband ie; drugs etc you are responsable. Same would go for the pilot IMO.


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  • #7
    duskyjoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭duskyjoe


    It was company mail imo....end of.


  • #8
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    duskyjoe wrote: »
    It was company mail imo....end of.
    I would agree. Surely the pilot knew of this practise?
    But to be told there were not documents and that he couldnt look into the bags seems odd.
    Nothing a phone call to HQ couldnt have cleared up in 5 mins.


  • #9
    billie1b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭billie1b


    duskyjoe wrote: »
    It was company mail imo....end of.

    Company mail is marked, documented and scanned and noted on the loadsheet/system. Its not company mail


  • #10
    billie1b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭billie1b


    Tenger wrote: »
    I would agree. Surely the pilot knew of this practise?
    But to be told there were not documents and that he couldnt look into the bags seems odd.
    Nothing a phone call to HQ couldnt have cleared up in 5 mins.

    The bags are sealed, only cash office staff can open them. There is supposed to be documents with the bag and the person who receives the bags is supposed to sign for them. Supposedly this didn't happen this time


  • #11
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,808 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    But there has to be law covering this somewhere? Someone (an employee or otherwise) can't just rock up to a cockpit with an undocumented and uncountable bag of cash and expect it to be just accepted without questions or concerns?

    As far as the pilot goes, what penalties could have been imposed on him or Ryanair had a CAA inspection occurred and found the cash? I doubt that the explanation of "Ah sure it's grand.. we do it all the time" would be acceptable?


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  • #12
    billie1b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭billie1b


    Everything that goes on the aircraft is supposed to be documented, on the loadsheet and confirmed by the Captain and Dispatcher. Its in the OPS manual and on signs around crew rooms and in memos, if there was no documents with the bags then the Captain had every right to refuse it.


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