New car tax rates

uisce33

So I'm about to change my car ( Octavia or something along that line) so can someone help me out with the new motor tax rate how does it work someone said its to do with 2008 cars and up ward is engine size a factor ? .also can anyone give an opinion on the 1.4 Octavia is the horsepower to small for that size car any recommendations for family car pls...so confused

Atlantic Dawn

Cars from 2008 onwards are based on emissions rather then engine size. The new system came in July 2008 but you can choose whatever basis is cheaper on cars registered January to July of that year. Typically petrol cars are more expensive than diesel as it's measured by CO2 and not damage to human health.

bazz26

A 1.4 Octavia is not going to be any cheaper on the newer tax system than it was on the older tax system, in fact it's actually higher on the newer tax system unless it's the 1.4 Tsi engine which is very rare to find in an Octavia in Ireland.

As for the 1.4 Octavia itself, depending on what use you give it they are woefully underpowered. Grand if your only potting about doing city driving but out on the open road they are poor for acceleration and overtaking.

Sam Kade

The two tier system is crazy nothing but a pure money grab on older cars. Why not use the UK system?

colm_mcm

The newest cars on the old system are 7.5-8 years old to be fair, in the case above the Octavia was cheaper before co2 tax came in.


OP, You can check motor tax by registration number on www.motortax.ie

coylemj

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Cars from 2008 onwards are based on emissions rather then engine size. The new system came in July 2008 but you can choose whatever basis is cheaper on cars registered January to July of that year.

When do you get to make make that choice? It can't have been at the time of registration because the new system hadn't yet come into force at the time those cars were being registered.

I have a Feb 2008 car which I bought secondhand in 2011 and nobody has ever given me the option of taxing it under the new scheme, the rate I'm quoted on the tax disc renewal is a set amount and that's it.

colm_mcm

It's automated.
It was based on what was cheaper on July 1st 08.

In some cases, it backfired on owners.
Example, Early 08 Toyota Yariss. It was cheap on cc system in Jan 08, then marginally cheaper on Co2 than on cc. so cars were migrated to the co2 tax.
Then they upped the lower Co2 bands in the next budget so the tax went higher than was on cc.

Atlantic Dawn

coylemj wrote: »

When do you get to make make that choice? It can't have been at the time of registration because the new system hadn't yet come into force at the time those cars were being registered.

I have a Feb 2008 car which I bought secondhand in 2011 and nobody has ever given me the option of taxing it under the new scheme, the rate I'm quoted on the tax disc renewal is a set amount and that's it.

What is your car? I would say it's more expensive on the CO2 system that's why it wasn't changed.

bazz26

The first owner would have been given the choice but only if the tax rate was lower on the new system. If it wasn't on the new system when you bought it then it must have been more to tax on the new system. The rate of motor tax did not automatically drop for every car on the new tax system. It all depended on the car's Co2 rating which in some cases increased the motor tax rate on the newer system. Mostly petrol cars that were already on sale for a number of years.

The likes of Ford, Toyota and VAG were stuck with a fair few new cars mostly petrol that the Irish liked to buy because of the low engine based tax rate that suddenly became expensive to tax under the new co2 system. There was a flude of them registered by June 30th 2008 as that was the cut off point of the choice between which ever system was the cheapest. Anything first registered from 1st July automatically went on the newer Co2 system whether they it was lower or not. Ford still had a rake of unsold Focus 1.4 petrols that suddenly shot up to over €500, Toyota had a load of Avensis 1.6 petrols that suddenly cost over €700 to tax on the new system. They had to really discount them to shift them in the end. That's around the same time the diesel craze started taking off, people with no use for a diesel car bought them because they were the cheapest to tax.

colm_mcm

The lower tax for early 08s wasn't an opt-in thing. You just got it upon renewal.

Lutecia

colm_mcm wrote: »

The lower tax for early 08s wasn't an opt-in thing. You just got it upon renewal.

It was for the 6 first months of 2008 cars sold if I remember correcly (I think to support dealers selling old stock that would have been hit by high co2 tax bracket). You had the choice of old and new system. Unsure about renewing though.

colm_mcm

Not quite.


All cars sold before July 08 were on the cc system.

From July 08 onwards, any (early) 08 car that would have been cheaper on the co2 system was migrated to the co2 system.

For cars registered after July, there wasn't the option to choose cc tax.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Cars from 2008 onwards are based on emissions rather then engine size. The new system came in July 2008 but you can choose whatever basis is cheaper on cars registered January to July of that year. Typically petrol cars are more expensive than diesel as it's measured by CO2 and not damage to human health.

I would have said that diesel cars are typically more expensive to buy even based on emissions. There's not a huge gap today with most modern petrols V the petrols. I have seen petrols cheaper than the diesels from some car manufacturers I've checked.

I agree with Co2, the Greens really messed up promoting a Type I carcinogen as some kind of planet saving fuel, I think most people are oblivious to this fact also that the car in front is spewing out carcinogenic emissions or they think it won't effect them.

If it cost me 300-400 Extra a year to drive the petrol V the diesel I'd drive the Petrol.

uisce33

Thanks a million for that

colm_mcm

What's your budget OP, Are you doing much mileage? What size of car are you used to?

uisce33

I'm used to a 1.5.not huge mileage not a lot of city driving but the car would be full most of the time budget is about €4,600 ish

What's the difference in the tax ?

I'd go for the TSI but I would feel the 1.4 would be underpowered but really you got to drive it to know yourself. I doubt the 1.4 non turbo would die under the strain as long as your not trashing it to move it all the time it will be fine. I couldn't drive a car with such little power in a car the size of the Octavia but as I said you deed to drive one to know if it suits you.

Do try get the TSI though.

Guy:Incognito

Sam Kade wrote: »

The two tier system is crazy nothing but a pure money grab on older cars. Why not use the UK system?

The Uk 2 tier system that came is around 02?

colm_mcm

uisce33 wrote: »

I'm used to a 1.5.not huge mileage not a lot of city driving but the car would be full most of the time budget is about €4,600 ish

I'm guessing it's an Almera you have now?

I'd probably get a 1.6 Avensis if I were you. They're quite cheap and plentiful and rarely give bother.