Buying advice Petrol or Diesel

boardsuser1

Old thread but relevant point,i have a petrol car and am looking to trade it in for a diesel,my current car is a 1.8 petrol and I have it 21 months,i've done 35,000 kms in the car in this time,however the car spent 7 months off the road as I picked up a cheap run around that saved me a fortune on fuel so essentially I've done that mileage in 14/15 months,is it worth my while changing to a diesel?a lot of what I would do is city/dual carriageway driving

Cee-Jay-Cee

Swanner wrote: »

Everyone here will till you to get a petrol at that mileage. I would go Diesel. I do about 10k a year and it's cheaper with diesel. Your car will also be worth more come trade in time. Only benefit with petrol is you can pick them up very cheap but there's a reason for that.

Absolutely ridiculous logic there. A diesel car will first of all cost more to buy and will cost more to service. It'll cost considerably more to repair when problems arise due to the engine never getting up to proper temperature as its being used only in short journeys. A petrol car will be cheaper to buy, cheaper to service and the vast majority of them are highly reliable and won't give problems.

You are typical of the irish sheeple that buy diesels because they think they're cheaper to run. They're not if your doing less than 20k kms a year.

For someone doing less than 10k a year they shouldn't even be considering a diesel, it makes absolutely no sense. A 1.4 Ceed will do 42-45mpg all day long even on shirt journeys. A 08> Auris 1.33 will do over 50mpg on long journeys and low 40's on short trips and costs €280 a year to tax and are very reliable.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

.......... A petrol car will be cheaper to buy, cheaper to service and the vast majority of them are highly reliable and won't give problems.............

Can you tell us more about the cheaper servicing costs on a petrol please? Oil and filters are much the same price regardless of the fuel used.

bazz26

Lads, some of you are replying to posts made 4 years ago. This thread is that old.

boardsuser1

bazz26 wrote: »

Lads, some of you are replying to posts made 4 years ago. This thread is that old.

I posted looking for answers myself so this is all useful/relevant to me at least

mulbot

Augeo wrote: »

Can you tell us more about the cheaper servicing costs on a petrol please? Oil and filters are much the same price regardless of the fuel used.

A set of spark plugs for petrol will be bought for less that e20,you might be looking close to e80 for glow plugs for a diesel-when i drove a diesel they cost me 19 euro each. You will also go through tyres quicker on a diesel,very heavy engines with FWD will wear tyres much quicker.

mulbot

mulbot wrote: »

A set of spark plugs for petrol will be bought for less that e20,you might be looking close to e80 for glow plugs for a diesel-when i drove a diesel they cost me 19 euro each. You will also go through tyres quicker on a diesel,very heavy engines with FWD will wear tyres much quicker.

Glow plugs are seldomly changed to be fair, I think you will find many spark plugs are more than €20/set these days. We aren't driving mk3 escorts or similar buckets.
Tyre wear is minimally more on a diesel.

boardsuser1

Augeo wrote: »

Glow plugs are seldomly changed to be fair, I think you will find many spark plugs are more than €20/set these days. We aren't driving mk3 escorts or similar buckets.
Tyre wear is minimally more on a diesel.

I forked out 50 quid on a set of platinum plugs recently,regarding my earlier post can any of you advise on it?

KC161

KC161 wrote: »

Old thread but relevant point,i have a petrol car and am looking to trade it in for a diesel,my current car is a 1.8 petrol and I have it 21 months,i've done 35,000 kms in the car in this time,however the car spent 7 months off the road as I picked up a cheap run around that saved me a fortune on fuel so essentially I've done that mileage in 14/15 months,is it worth my while changing to a diesel?a lot of what I would do is city/dual carriageway driving

What speed limits?

2400km/month and no one would steer you away from diesel imo, many petrols would be suitable too. Your preference, budget etc would dictate a lot.

Depends on what sort of car you want really.

mulbot

Augeo wrote: »

Glow plugs are seldomly changed to be fair, I think you will find many spark plugs are more than €20/set these days. We aren't driving mk3 escorts or similar buckets.
Tyre wear is minimally more on a diesel.

Obviously it depends on what you drive,but you can get sparks for 20,you won't get a cheap set of glows cheap-and i would say the difference in tyre wear is significant, especially if you compare the same mileage on longer type driving

OldMrBrennan83

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boardsuser1

Augeo wrote: »

What speed limits?

2400km/month and no one would steer you away from diesel imo, many petrols would be suitable too. Your preference, budget etc would dictate a lot.

Depends on what sort of car you want really.

speed limits would mainly be between 50-100kmh however I do the odd bit of motorway at least once a month,i currently have a Mazda 6 1.8 petrol,looking at a 1.9 tdi leon,budget is about 5k with the mazda

boardsuser1

Patww79 wrote: »

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petrol has me fleeced

mulbot

KC161 wrote: »

petrol has me fleeced

Not surprised,1.8 petrol is a thirsty engine-you prob would be better off in a diesel,something like a 1.6

OldMrBrennan83

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boardsuser1

mulbot wrote: »

Not surprised,1.8 petrol is a thirsty engine-you prob would be better off in a diesel,something like a 1.6

type of car i'm looking at the 1.6 model is out of my budget,is the 1.9 close to it in terms of economy etc?

mulbot

KC161 wrote: »

type of car i'm looking at the 1.6 model is out of my budget,is the 1.9 close to it in terms of economy etc?

Probably depends on the size of car to be honest,I only ever had the 1.9 diesels,fairly economical,even more so if you can get a 6 speed,

boardsuser1

mulbot wrote: »

Probably depends on the size of car to be honest,I only ever had the 1.9 diesels,fairly economical,even more so if you can get a 6 speed,

A diesel Seat leon,I've heard good things about them in general,just hope they sorted the bloody emissions issue

dudara

I'm looking to buy a petrol BMW at the moment, secondhand, couple of years old. They're rarer than hens teeth. The market is completely flooded with diesels.

SBPhoto

KC161 wrote: »

A diesel Seat leon,I've heard good things about them in general,just hope they sorted the bloody emissions issue

What emissions issue???

pa990

4yrs later..
Maybe the OP is due another change of car .

_Kaiser_

Patww79 wrote: »

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Completely disagree with the "petrol is better.. just cause" idea to be honest.

It all depends on what it's running, what kind of driving/mileage you do, and indeed whether you look at driving as enjoyable or just a commute from A to B

I love my diesel A6... but then she has the V6 3.0 TDI under the bonnet so plenty of go when needed and a nice sound when you press the loud pedal, but still practical enough to support my 1500km per week of driving. Plus she has plenty of toys and is generally a nice place to be every day.

Still makes me smile every day 2 and a half years later so that'll do me - I'd still cheat on her with her bigger sister (A8) though.. and that's not something I'd usually say!

OldMrBrennan83

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_Kaiser_

Patww79 wrote: »

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In what way.. seriously, given our roads, speed limits (about the only things that are patchily enforced), costs of motoring in generally, what exactly makes it so much better outside a track day maybe?

Mine handles well, has plenty of power and eats up the miles.. I've no interest in drifting around corners or rallying on crappy backroads so I really don't see what's so much better about the petrol option?

Plus unless you only do tiny mileage or earn a fortune running a car like that would bankrupt most folk.. especially if on the old tax system as well.

slimjimmc

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mulbot

mulbot wrote: »

Obviously it depends on what you drive,but you can get sparks for 20,you won't get a cheap set of glows cheap-and i would say the difference in tyre wear is significant, especially if you compare the same mileage on longer type driving

Minimal difference when cruising, you're talking 10% less miles at most. Peanuts.

Name one petrol car that's less than 7 years old that uses a €5 sparkplug.
And again, glow plugs are rarely changed.

OldMrBrennan83

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The Bishop Basher

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous logic there. A diesel car will first of all cost more to buy and will cost more to service. It'll cost considerably more to repair when problems arise due to the engine never getting up to proper temperature as its being used only in short journeys. A petrol car will be cheaper to buy, cheaper to service and the vast majority of them are highly reliable and won't give problems.

That post was in 2011. However I will respond to say that i'm still driving diesel and i'm still saving money. I have had many petrol cars over the years and i've noticed no difference whatsoever on the cost to run bar the price of fuel which diesel wins hands down.

Yes they cost more to buy. They also sell for more.

Diesels are far from perfect and they will go wrong. So do petrols. The cost to repair will depend on the problem and while I appreciate that DPF's can fail, I have not personally witnessed the problem.

It just seems like there's a kind of mass hysteria (see your own post) on here with regard to Diesels any time they get a mention with tales of massive repair bills and while I have had massive bills on cars in the past they have been for items that were not related to the fuel type in any way.

I was only giving my opinion based on my own experience. I've no wish to try and convince you one way or the other and as my experience of diesel is still exactly the same 4 years on from that post I would suggest you do the same.

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

For someone doing less than 10k a year they shouldn't even be considering a diesel, it makes absolutely no sense. A 1.4 Ceed will do 42-45mpg all day long even on shirt journeys. A 08> Auris 1.33 will do over 50mpg on long journeys and low 40's on short trips and costs €280 a year to tax and are very reliable.

And you accuse me of being a sheeple :rolleyes:

mulbot

Augeo wrote: »

Minimal difference when cruising, you're talking 10% less miles at most. Peanuts.

Name one petrol car that's less than 7 years old that uses a €5 sparkplug.
And again, glow plugs are rarely changed.

Well,for starters,ford focus, 1.4 80 bhp hatchback(2004-2011), denso plugs=e 4.15, Ngk plugs=e4.16 there's alot in around the e5 mark. Any yaris 2005-2011 same story,under e5

Well when i switched to a heavy saloon from lighter petrol cars the tyre wear was something that was more obvious,switching around(front to back) was done alot sooner in the diesels

boardsuser1

SBPhoto wrote: »

What emissions issue???

the VW scandal

mulbot

mulbot wrote: »

Well,for starters,ford focus, 1.4 80 bhp hatchback(2004-2011), denso plugs=e 4.15, Ngk plugs=e4.16 there's alot in around the e5 mark. Any yaris 2005-2011 same story,under e5.............

So a diesel Focus will be more to service and a diesel Yaris more to service? And they'll be heavier on tyres too?

We're not comparing a 520D to a Polo petrol.

mulbot

Augeo wrote: »

So a diesel Focus will be more to service and a diesel Yaris more to service? And they'll be heavier on tyres too?

We're not comparing a 520D to a Polo petrol.

You asked me to name one car under 7 yo that uses plugs for under a fiver-i did- So comparing say, a 1.4 petrol focus to a 1.8 diesel focus,yes heavier wear on the diesel;i've had both i should know- I've also had two saab 9'3 diesels,(150bhp vector and the ttid 180bhp) both brutes on tyres compared to any other petrol car I've had(and I've had petrol cars up to 2.0)

The Bishop Basher

mulbot wrote: »

You asked me to name one car under 7 yo that uses plugs for under a fiver-i did- So comparing say, a 1.4 petrol focus to a 1.8 diesel focus,yes heavier wear on the diesel;i've had both i should know- I've also had two saab 9'3 diesels,(150bhp vector and the ttid 180bhp) both brutes on tyres compared to any other petrol car I've had(and I've had petrol cars up to 2.0)

So are you saying that glo plugs and tyres are the reason people should stick to petrol ?

It's not the most compelling argument really is it ?

mulbot

Swanner wrote: »

So are you saying that glo plugs and tyres are the reason people should stick to petrol ?

It's not the most compelling argument really is it ?

I'm not saying that at all-someone just asked here what might the higher costs be,I named a few potentially more expensive reasons-I'd be going right back to diesel if i was doing more mileage than I'm doing now,I prefer diesels

boardsuser1

Definitely buying a diesel