Friesian bulls indoor all year round

Carrigogunnell

right guys I know theres a few of ye very good with figures. I have been thinking[small experiment] if you buy 15 fr calves grass them until maybe may june and put them in on meal and silage or just straw and meal what kinda of figures are we talking.push them real hard and try get them killed say 14 months ko at 220-270. is there any margin on them.i would thinking I would bed 1 bay of the slats with straw and eat in the other

Miname

I know a lad done it with Jersey calves one year. I wouldn't believe a word out of his mouth so won't quote him but he reckons he made money. I'd find it hard to see it being profitable. Drawing meal non stop, straw or silage as well and then crossing your fingers for a decent price. At 250 kg kill out say on o's and p's you'd be safer let them on in the mart.

blue5000

It's marginal at the best of times. If you had cheap by-products or your own barley it would help though.

J DEERE

Often thought of it myself to buy in Jan/Feb and never turn them out just feed indoors until October or November and sell as weanlings but could never justify the figures. Would have accomodation for 100 or more and no sheds lying idle For summer. Would want be getting calves cheap

Carrigogunnell

J DEERE wrote: »

Often thought of it myself to buy in Jan/Feb and never turn them out just feed indoors until October or November and sell as weanlings but could never justify the figures. Would have accomodation for 100 or more and no sheds lying idle For summer. Would want be getting calves cheap

It would suit me to have them in for the summer it's a very busy time of the yr for me. U did figures wat did you come back at. I would like to try a few of them buy british fr if I could

CloughCasey1

J DEERE wrote: »

Often thought of it myself to buy in Jan/Feb and never turn them out just feed indoors until October or November and sell as weanlings but could never justify the figures. Would have accomodation for 100 or more and no sheds lying idle For summer. Would want be getting calves cheap

Prob be as much out of buying 10mt old fr bulls at 350 kg in feb/march for 550 and feed them until Sept. You'd want to get them to 600kg by 16 mts. It will cost you 300per animal to feed housed. You might get 180-230 profit. If you fed them silage indoors and a small quantity of meal you probably would have the same profit from selling in Mart at 16mt steers.

MIKEKC

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Prob be as much out of buying 10mt old fr bulls at 350 kg in feb/march for 550 and feed them until Sept. You'd want to get them to 600kg by 16 mts. It will cost you 300per animal to feed housed. You might get 180-230 profit. If you fed them silage indoors and a small quantity of meal you probably would have the same profit from selling in Mart at 16mt steers.

Where will u get 350kg Bulls for e550?

CloughCasey1

MIKEKC wrote: »

Where will u get 350kg Bulls for e550?

Mart or done deal usually!

CloughCasey1

Bad example but less than what I said

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/friesian-bull-weanlings/11103217

Cassidy2

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Mart or done deal usually!

Not last spring maybe jerseys

CloughCasey1

Cassidy2 wrote: »

Not last spring maybe jerseys

Next spring Cass

Cassidy2

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Next spring Cass

This spring you would want to buy them at euro a kilo

CloughCasey1

Cassidy2 wrote: »

This spring you would want to buy them at euro a kilo

Time will tell.

Bass Reeves

Even the best of the lads killing them at 16 months only average 270kgs. Jerseys are considered to be as profitable or even more profitable as calves can come in up to 100 cheaper. They also put on fat cover easier and finish at a much lighter weight. Very hard to get fat cover on Fr bulls even at sub 16 months. Most lads doing it have contracts and they are targeted at a time when beef supply is usually tight, early May to Late June.

Most lads that do it target Fr bulls born in January and February. Reason is that they need these calves to make the most use of grass. It seems that most feed 1kg of ration all summer long. This is risen while calves are still at grass and the aim is to have calves up at or over 350 kgs at housing. I think that most feed 1.5 tons of ration to calves between birth and slaughter.

A 270kg carcass will make 1080 at 4/kg. Costing calf at 100 euro at 3 weeks and ration at 260/ton ( this to include calf ration) if 1.5 ton fed it costs 390 euro. dosing, Vet, mortality, transport, purchass and slaughter fees at 100 euro. That leaves 500 to cover, milk replacer, straw grass, silage and margin. You would want a very tight operation. If calf costs 150 euro this would eat into your margin as well.

J DEERE

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

It would suit me to have them in for the summer it's a very busy time of the yr for me. U did figures wat did you come back at. I would like to try a few of them buy british fr if I could

Can't remember have it wrote down somewhere but remember figuring that needed to buy calves at 60/hd to turn a small profit

Carrigogunnell

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Even the best of the lads killing them at 16 months only average 270kgs. Jerseys are considered to be as profitable or even more profitable as calves can come in up to 100 cheaper. They also put on fat cover easier and finish at a much lighter weight. Very hard to get fat cover on Fr bulls even at sub 16 months. Most lads doing it have contracts and they are targeted at a time when beef supply is usually tight, early May to Late June.

Most lads that do it target Fr bulls born in January and February. Reason is that they need these calves to make the most use of grass. It seems that most feed 1kg of ration all summer long. This is risen while calves are still at grass and the aim is to have calves up at or over 350 kgs at housing. I think that most feed 1.5 tons of ration to calves between birth and slaughter.

A 270kg carcass will make 1080 at 4/kg. Costing calf at 100 euro at 3 weeks and ration at 260/ton ( this to include calf ration) if 1.5 ton fed it costs 390 euro. dosing, Vet, mortality, transport, purchass and slaughter fees at 100 euro. That leaves 500 to cover, milk replacer, straw grass, silage and margin. You would want a very tight operation. If calf costs 150 euro this would eat into your margin as well.

Very useful thanks. I wonder how much more meal if they were to be kept indoors instead of grazing how much per head per day on either silage of straw. Would 5 kgs cover it?

Cassidy2

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Even the best of the lads killing them at 16 months only average 270kgs. Jerseys are considered to be as profitable or even more profitable as calves can come in up to 100 cheaper. They also put on fat cover easier and finish at a much lighter weight. Very hard to get fat cover on Fr bulls even at sub 16 months. Most lads doing it have contracts and they are targeted at a time when beef supply is usually tight, early May to Late June.

Most lads that do it target Fr bulls born in January and February. Reason is that they need these calves to make the most use of grass. It seems that most feed 1kg of ration all summer long. This is risen while calves are still at grass and the aim is to have calves up at or over 350 kgs at housing. I think that most feed 1.5 tons of ration to calves between birth and slaughter.

A 270kg carcass will make 1080 at 4/kg. Costing calf at 100 euro at 3 weeks and ration at 260/ton ( this to include calf ration) if 1.5 ton fed it costs 390 euro. dosing, Vet, mortality, transport, purchass and slaughter fees at 100 euro. That leaves 500 to cover, milk replacer, straw grass, silage and margin. You would want a very tight operation. If calf costs 150 euro this would eat into y as well.

Where will you get 4euro for a fr bull

Cassidy2

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Time will tell.

I can tell you

CloughCasey1

Cassidy2 wrote: »

I can tell you

What ya reckon fr bull beef u16 mts will be in June?

Carrigogunnell

Cassidy2 wrote: »

Where will you get 4euro for a fr bull

What are they at the mo. Anyone with a contract surely has another 15 cent am I right

Cassidy2

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

What ya reckon fr bull beef u16 mts will be in June?

Hard to say but if was picking a time it would be June

Cassidy2

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

What are they at the mo. Anyone with a contract surely has another 15 cent am I right

3.9 on the gride .have you got a contract.

Miname

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

Very useful thanks. I wonder how much more meal if they were to be kept indoors instead of grazing how much per head per day on either silage of straw. Would 5 kgs cover it?

Even at 5kg a day your at a beating . Fr. need time all the meal of the day wouldn't fatten most of them. 18-20 months is what most lads that are at friesains is the best they can get. And that price of e4 a kilo for friesains might be fairly optimistic now but it will be complete dreamland come the end of the year I reckon.

Carrigogunnell

Cassidy2 wrote: »

3.9 on the gride .have you got a contract.

No I don't nor will I be able to get one

epfff

Cassidy2 wrote: »

3.9 on the gride .have you got a contract.

Do lots of them and it's a very rare one that will hit the grid so I get no real bonus for u16

€4 was the top price I ever took for fr
today €3.55/€3.60 is price

To keep them moving they need ad lib about 6kgs average a day for first summer inside and that's needs to be high protein good quality stuff not the sweepings of the floor that can be got

The only way I can get a fr bull to work is first summer grass and less than kg if meal up to end of Dec then back out to grass the second summer as early as possible for as long as possible (got October this yes longest yet normally early August)then heavy feeding until near 24 months

This comes with health warning as they are very aggressive in fields have to be on your game big time when anywhere close to them

Have tried the shed had to abandon in mid may had disease out break but continued a simular system in gardens for summer all stars need to line up to be successful

Carrigogunnell

epfff wrote: »

Do lots of them and it's a very rare one that will hit the grid so I get no real bonus for u16

€4 was the top price I ever took for fr
today €3.55/€3.60 is price

To keep them moving they need ad lib about 6kgs average a day for first summer inside and that's needs to be high protein good quality stuff not the sweepings of the floor that can be got

The only way I can get a fr bull to work is first summer grass and less than kg if meal up to end of Dec then back out to grass the second summer as early as possible for as long as possible (got October this yes longest yet normally early August)then heavy feeding until near 24 months

This comes with health warning as they are very aggressive in fields have to be on your game big time when anywhere close to them

Have tried the shed had to abandon in mid may had disease out break but continued a simular system in gardens for summer all stars need to line up to be successful

well it sounds like you know what you doing. I wont be going down the grass route ,what was your thinking before they got sick would you have kept em going. beside 6 kgs what else where they on silage, haylage, straw.if it did work inside they could nearly eat up to 3 tonne. what I was thinking was the sheds are free from april to November why not try and get them into use 12 months round.

Bass Reeves

Cassidy2 wrote: »

Where will you get 4euro for a fr bull

In general over last 5 years they have averaged if not exceeded this during May/June. Even when the factory's p!ssed on everyone else in 2014 in May/June they looked after the lads with 16 month friesian bulls paying 3.8 flat. It a specialist game and not a huge amount of lads at it so processors do not want these lads to give up. Ideal carcass even if not ideal fat score wise. Most will be O+ if done right. So 4/kg is a good average to work off.

epfff wrote: »

Do lots of them and it's a very rare one that will hit the grid so I get no real bonus for u16

€4 was the top price I ever took for fr
today €3.55/€3.60 is price

To keep them moving they need ad lib about 6kgs average a day for first summer inside and that's needs to be high protein good quality stuff not the sweepings of the floor that can be got

The only way I can get a fr bull to work is first summer grass and less than kg if meal up to end of Dec then back out to grass the second summer as early as possible for as long as possible (got October this yes longest yet normally early August)then heavy feeding until near 24 months

This comes with health warning as they are very aggressive in fields have to be on your game big time when anywhere close to them

Have tried the shed had to abandon in mid may had disease out break but continued a simular system in gardens for summer all stars need to line up to be successful

Fr are seldom sold on the grid even the U16 months are sold flat depending on quality. In general in May/June O grade Fr bulls 16ish months see at the grid base price. It is a very tight margin game with a few specialist producers. I think there is a lad in Limerick that there is always an article in the Rag every year about.

In general most lads do similar to you. Did them myself for a few years bought as weanlings, grassed following year, 3kgs of ration on grass from start of August into the shed the 1st of October and slaughtered in January. They always left a margin until 2014.

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

well it sounds like you know what you doing. I wont be going down the grass route ,what was your thinking before they got sick would you have kept em going. beside 6 kgs what else where they on silage, haylage, straw.if it did work inside they could nearly eat up to 3 tonne. what I was thinking was the sheds are free from april to November why not try and get them into use 12 months round.

Impossible to make money out of sheds from April to November. In the Uk and elsewhere in Europe they have access to byproduct. In the UK for example you can carry away brewers grains for free from Brewery's etc. You also have access to Biscuit meal, waste bread at very cheap prices.

Heard a story about a lad that had a plant for peeling veg and potatoes . His was a smallish operation. He had a shed that he used to feed about two pens of cattle in. There were fed the unused potatoes and Veg which was balanced with cereals and protein and straw. his feed costs were less than a euro/day I think.

Cavanjack

Cassidy2 wrote: »

Where will you get 4euro for a fr bull

Got 4.10 in June for fr Bulls 22month olds. Hoping for similar this June.

epfff

Cavanjack wrote: »

Got 4.10 in June for fr Bulls 22month olds. Hoping for similar this June.

I think you may get it in may/June again this year
But will fall off cliff after that

Cavanjack

epfff wrote: »

I think you may get it in may/June again this year
But will fall off cliff after that

Hopefully will but sure who knows what can will happen.