New recruit salary

RumHam

Hi guys,

I have two questions, apologies if they've been asked already.

(1) Is the pay scale currently frozen? Does it mean that new recruits will remain on the starting salary indefinitely?

(2) Is there a bump in pay for those with third level degrees as I have read a lot of conflicting information about this.

Thanks

Horza

I would also be interested if anyone that could clarify the increase in increments for holders of a third level degree and whether it is still available or not?

MondeoMan92

As far as I am aware the payscale is frozen for the first 3 years before you start moving up the increment scale. Best thing to do is have a look on the Garda Representitive Association website. Plenty of info on that

discus

MondeoMan92 wrote: »

As far as I am aware the payscale is frozen for the first 3 years before you start moving up the increment scale. Best thing to do is have a look on the Garda Representitive Association website. Plenty of info on that

That page on garda pay seems quite old. Can you vouch that it is currently accurate for new trainees?

ForeverYoung90

discus wrote: »

That page on garda pay seems quite old. Can you vouch that it is currently accurate for new trainees?

The current Garda pay scale is at this link
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2015-02-10a.551

I think it's a disgrace that the rate of pay has been cut so much along with the 4000e annual rent allowance being scrapped.

Canyon86

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

The current Garda pay scale is at this link
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2015-02-10a.551

I think it's a disgrace that the rate of pay has been cut so much along with the 4000e annual rent allowance being scrapped.

I agree with you there, I think the pay is a disgrace,

very had to justify joining a job you d like, but then putting yourself and family into debt,

hailo1234q

Curious about this thread myself. Is there anyone just out of Templemore/in process who could shed a bit of light on things?

Are there unions pushing the pay thing?

Is that for definite that as things stand it'll be three years before recruits go from point one of new scale to point two?..23,171 to 25,472?

Also, what's the situation with the degree allowance, you previously were paid three additional increments, so IF new recruits started with a degree and were given the allowance they'd start on €28,302 based on new scale?

ForeverYoung90

hailo1234q wrote: »

Curious about this thread myself. Is there anyone just out of Templemore/in process who could shed a bit of light on things?

Are there unions pushing the pay thing?

Is that for definite that as things stand it'll be three years before recruits go from point one of new scale to point two?..23,171 to 25,472?

Also, what's the situation with the degree allowance, you previously were paid three additional increments, so IF new recruits started with a degree and were given the allowance they'd start on €28,302 based on new scale?

The degree allowing you increments was done away with along with many more allowances afaik back on 2013.

Rushden

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

The degree allowing you increments was done away with along with many more allowances afaik back on 2013.

Increments for a degree are still there. Don't kick in til after probation unfortunately or July 2018 if the increments are frozen for a further two years

Kerrygirl90

Guys just a question about the salary...I know the gross annual salary is €23,171. But do you get any extra money overtime or weekend?

MondeoMan92

Extra allowances are still paid in respect of unsocial hours e.g nightime pay,public holidays , sundays and bank holidays. While you would be getting some of this its best not to rely on 'bonus' pay. All the info is on the GRA website

Horza

Rushden wrote: »

Increments for a degree are still there. Don't kick in til after probation unfortunately or July 2018 if the increments are frozen for a further two years

Where can this info be viewed or was it by word of mouth you heard it?

Rushden

Horza wrote: »

Where can this info be viewed or was it by word of mouth you heard it?

Told by the GRA

weadick

Does anyone know if having a mortgage would have any bearing on where you will be stationed? Given that there is no longer rent allowance would they place you closer to where you are from if you are paying a mortgage?

I'm guessing the answer is no but just want to ask anyway.

MondeoMan92

weadick wrote: »

Does anyone know if having a mortgage would have any bearing on where you will be stationed? Given that there is no longer rent allowance would they place you closer to where you are from if you are paying a mortgage?

I'm guessing the answer is no but just want to ask anyway.

Officially it depends on 'operational needs' e.g if you live in Galway but they need guards in Dublin more than in Galway you'll be going Dublin. Apparently the last few classes have been accommodated as best as possible with most people being relatively close to home. People living in Meath being based in Dublin or vice versa. I'm sure they would try and get you as close as possible but there's always a chance of being based anywhere in the state. Unfortunately it's just part of the job

AudiKid

Ok I've two stupid questions.

Are Gardai paid weekly or monthly?

And, newly qualified officers get €23,171 per year. Is this before, or after deductions?

D Trent

AudiKid wrote: »

Ok I've two stupid questions.

Are Gardai paid weekly or monthly?

And, newly qualified officers get €23,171 per year. Is this before, or after deductions?

Every Friday.

It is before deductions AND your allowances.

misslemon

I can't post a link here because my post count is too low, but did anyone see the article in the Independent last night? Three new Gardai have quit over low pay and others feel they may have to quit also.

RedmondHR

Yea this one ?
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ill-probably-go-back-to-tesco-and-ill-be-better-paid-too-three-newly-qualified-gardai-have-quit-force-over-low-pay-34563837.html
The only silver lining is that it cant get any worse, and if Gardaí are leaving because of the pay they will have to do something.

misslemon

Thanks for linking!

Yeah, I think it's interesting. I don't think there's anything in it that would put someone off who's already in the current recruitment drive but it is a problem.

At the very least rent allowance should be brought in for people who have to relocate to Dublin. The starting salary doesn't go far here at all, especially after tax and deductions.

RedmondHR

It wouldn't be too bad for me, but if you had a family or mortgage you wouldn't really wanna be getting into it at all. Just hope if I get in placed somewhere cheap!

misslemon

RedmondHR wrote: »

It wouldn't be too bad for me, but if you had a family or mortgage you wouldn't really wanna be getting into it at all. Just hope if I get in placed somewhere cheap!

It wouldn't be too bad for me either, but I can understand how someone would be put off by the salary. It's a shame people felt they'd have better prospects leaving, especially after going through the recruitment process and Templemore.

RedmondHR

Hopefully they will change it, the amount of money going into the recruits. Education, housing, food, uniforms ect. is more important to keep them on then for them to leave. I wonder if anyone has an idea on how much it cost the Gardaí to train recruits from week one to week 34.

misslemon

RedmondHR wrote: »

I wonder if anyone has an idea on how much it cost the Gardaí to train recruits from week one to week 34.

Apparently it's €9,200 with €1,200 of that being uniform. It's actually less than I thought, but I think it leaves out the cost of maintenance to the college itself.

RedmondHR

Jezz, once you take into account the maintenance as well as the pay about €5888, be a bit more as well. Well at the moment we can hope that they will increase the wages soon.

MondeoMan92

You have to factor in the time that people are putting into teaching the new recruits as well as paying the instructors and students during the 34 weeks, there is costs of uniforms, equipment, college maintenece and the fact that these costs are doubled as the college has to do the same all over again with a new recruit to replace the one who has left. I can understand why people have done it but at the same time, we all know what we're signing up for when we take the job. Pay is definitely unfair and doesn't reflect the work members do but it is what it is at the moment. As things improve I'd like to think that so will the conditions. It's like every job, pay starts off crap but as time goes on it increases

RedmondHR

http://emergencytimes.com/pay-cuts-reversed-for-new-fire-fighters/

The Government has agreed to reverse pay cuts for new recruits in the fire service. Including 4,500 rent allowance.
Step in the right direction if they can focus on the garda now that would be great!

RedmondHR

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/4000-rent-allowance-on-table-if-garda-accept-pay-deal-34826019.html

Good news lads!

VicMack

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/garda-recruits-cannot-survive-on-23000-yearly-starting-salary-lowry-34846151.html

Fairplay to Michael Lowry! He is trying to get things moving in the right directon!

AudiKid

VicMack wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/garda-recruits-cannot-survive-on-23000-yearly-starting-salary-lowry-34846151.html

Fairplay to Michael Lowry! He is trying to get things moving in the right directon!

Although I don't agree with a lot of what he's done in the past, at least he's making a case in the Dail.

The return of rent allowance would make a huge difference, but the GRA are right to stick to their guns.

AudiKid

VicMack wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/garda-recruits-cannot-survive-on-23000-yearly-starting-salary-lowry-34846151.html

Fairplay to Michael Lowry! He is trying to get things moving in the right directon!

Although I don't agree with a lot of what he's done in the past, at least he's making a case in the Dail.

The return of rent allowance would make a huge difference, but the GRA are right to stick to their guns.

Canyon86

AudiKid wrote: »

Although I don't agree with a lot of what he's done in the past, at least he's making a case in the Dail.

The return of rent allowance would make a huge difference, but the GRA are right to stick to their guns.

Ya the return of the rent allowance would help a bit

23,000 is a disgraceful amount of money for a garda to be on, the government should be ashamed of themselves for not making this a bigger issue

Lockstep

On the plus side, if you've a degree and relevent leaving cert subjects/grades, after two years on the job, your pay will jump to €40,163

AM11

Hi Lockstep. Are you sure that's the case?

docst

AM11 wrote: »

Hi Lockstep. Are you sure that's the case?

Increments are now frozen until July 2018

MondeoMan92

Lockstep wrote: »

On the plus side, if you've a degree and relevent leaving cert subjects/grades, after two years on the job, your pay will jump to €40,163

I don't think your increments jump by that much. Are you sure theres not more to it? A 17,000 increase over 2 years seems a bit much. I can't find anything on GRA website about it. Where dors it say that?

endacl

Kerrygirl90 wrote: »

Guys just a question about the salary...I know the gross annual salary is €23,171. But do you get any extra money overtime or weekend?

23k?!? Sure you might as well do the job on a voluntary basis...

VicMack

MondeoMan92 wrote: »

I don't think your increments jump by that much. Are you sure theres not more to it? A 17,000 increase over 2 years seems a bit much. I can't find anything on GRA website about it. Where dors it say that?

Click on the €40,163 and it brings you to website and explains it.

Basically you need a third level degree and 3 honours in leaving Cert I think and you jump up to increment 7 after our probation ends which is 2 years from the day of attestation.

docst

VicMack wrote: »

Click on the €40,163 and it brings you to website and explains it.

Basically you need a third level degree and 3 honours in leaving Cert I think and you jump up to increment 7 after our probation ends which is 2 years from the day of attestation.

Two years after attestation you can apply for the degree increment, 3 points on the scale and the one for certain results in the leaving cert which is worth one point, so the max is point six after two full years. But as previously stated all increments are frozen until July 2018

redout

The third level increments are in limbo according to the GRA. The website may state the example but what they tell you in person is that they are not sure. Nobody will attain 2 years until sometime in 2017 when the 141s get there.

Lockstep

docst wrote: »

Increments are now frozen until July 2018

Has that been imposed? AFAIK negotiations for this are still ongoing?

MondeoMan92 wrote: »

I don't think your increments jump by that much. Are you sure theres not more to it? A 17,000 increase over 2 years seems a bit much. I can't find anything on GRA website about it. Where dors it say that?

docst wrote: »

Two years after attestation you can apply for the degree increment, 3 points on the scale and the one for certain results in the leaving cert which is worth one point, so the max is point six after two full years. But as previously stated all increments are frozen until July 2018

It's the example the GRA website uses (which my post linked to)

After year 2 (136 weeks) on appointment to the force, if a member meets the term above (i.e. section ii ) they would then recieve 3 additional increments. if that member was to also meet the other term ( i.e. section i) that member would move another point on the scale (i.e. year 7). This example can be seen in the table below

So after probation/2 years service, they'd normally be on stage 3 (€29834) but with a third level degree and a relevant leaving cert, you'd be bumped up to level 7 (€40k)

docst wrote: »

Two years after attestation you can apply for the degree increment, 3 points on the scale and the one for certain results in the leaving cert which is worth one point, so the max is point six after two full years. But as previously stated all increments are frozen until July 2018

redout wrote: »

The third level increments are in limbo according to the GRA. The website may state the example but what they tell you in person is that they are not sure. Nobody will attain 2 years until sometime in 2017 when the 141s get there.

I asked during my interview if the degree increment was still in force and they said it was. However, I dunno how this works if increments have been totally frozen (and if this applies to newly qualified gardai).

I'd need to highlight not to rely on my info though as I'm open to correction and I could well be wrong.

docst

Lockstep wrote: »

Has that been imposed? AFAIK negotiations for this are still ongoing?

Imposed since 1st of July as GRA are outside of LRA.


It's the example the GRA website uses (which my post linked to)

So after probation/2 years service, they'd normally be on stage 3 (€29834) but with a third level degree and a relevant leaving cert, you'd be bumped up to level 7 (€40k)

It's level 6 on the scale not 7




I asked during my interview if the degree increment was still in force and they said it was. However, I dunno how this works if increments have been totally frozen (and if this applies to newly qualified gardai).

I'd need to highlight not to rely on my info though as I'm open to correction and I could well be wrong.

It's now frozen to July 2018 so you would have to do two years post attestation after this point for the degree increments to apply